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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have an

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excellent guest for you this evening I'm

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excited to have dr. Robert gross we met

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out in Phoenix last February and he's a

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great guy

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before our guests this evening we have a

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course Alejandro Rojas with the UFO

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updates and we are live now for those of

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you on YouTube you know that we changed

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our time and we are also on kgr a radio

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I'm really excited about all the

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listeners over there and I hope you

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enjoy the show we're bringing you

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different guests every week last week

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was a humdinger with three different

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guests we generally have one guest but

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we may add some as we go along you know

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it just depends on the circumstance also

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almost had an additional person tonight

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but it didn't work out just to join in

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for a few minutes but anyway that may

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happen I want to thank everyone that

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supports the show anyone can do that and

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you can find that information over on

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podcast UFO comm so we are live on

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Tuesday evening sets 6:00 to 8:00

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Eastern Standard Time on kgr a radio as

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I mentioned and also on youtube you can

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also watch that right on the website

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podcast UFO calm over there we have some

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blogs we also have a UFO sightings page

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people can post sightings anonymous we

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have quite a few of them over there very

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interesting ones so check that out when

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you get a chance

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and so that's enough babbling for me

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right now Alejandro how you doing I'm

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doing pretty well doing a lot better

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today in fact yeah I just remembered I

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owe that the Cate GRE station an apology

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because I was sick yesterday so I woke

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up like in the middle of the night

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thinking no but I

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yeah and doing well bit really busy but

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and and we'll be at alien Con anybody

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who's going to be there and Pasadena

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this weekend we're going to be just

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promoting the conference and selling

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some t-shirts

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- so oh great that's gonna be fun

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Pasadena is always a great place I'd go

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to a great of the Rose Bowl flea market

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there when I'm out there it's a palace

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really yeah I haven't been there and

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I've heard it's gorgeous so I'm really

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looking forward to it we're staying at a

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really cool Airbnb

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oh wow great awesome so what's going on

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for UFO news UFO news there's not a

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whole lot I mean that there's still that

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news that we've been talking about the

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last couple of weeks about the nimitz

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UFO encounter yeah also that information

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about you know george knapp shared about

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the government organization that did all

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of that and kind of how they were

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looking at the skinwalker and everything

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so there's a lot of that going on still

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and otherwise not a whole lot of new

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stuff couple new things that have been

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posted out there one Cheryl Kosta did a

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story for the Syracuse New Times talking

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about how sightings are are

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deteriorating there's less and less

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sightings at least that MUFON is getting

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it's always difficult with those numbers

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because those numbers are very high

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level doesn't those are cases before

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they're investigated and in my you know

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examination of these where I watch these

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numbers on a monthly basis as well and

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I'd love to hear your opinion on it

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often it's due to awareness so the more

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UFO television shows there are out there

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MUFON then the more UFO sightings that

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happen and really we haven't had a lot

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of UFO programs going on now I know and

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Bob may know this there are a lot of

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production companies out there looking

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to do something right and I know History

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but nobody's pulled the trigger on

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anything so we'll see what happens I

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think the hard part is is everything's

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been done when it comes to UFOs so it's

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hard to look at to figure out a new

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angle but yeah what do you think of the

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numbers yeah you know I just I haven't

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really been paying a lot of times I I do

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look at them but I haven't noticed just

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lately eggs so I guess I guess I haven't

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actual numbers but they are down and the

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like blanket like a blanket number is

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down yeah kind of the overall number of

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sighting reports is down but it's really

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difficult so to qualify does that mean

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the phenomena has it has subsided but

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that's really hard to say and you know

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both belong to this group called the

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Scientific Coalition for ecology yeah

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and it's hard to you know it takes a lot

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of work to qualify something as an

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unknown and until you do that you have a

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strong number of unknowns you're not

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really gonna be able to gauge the

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phenomena

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you know the mystery itself where the

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unknowns are strange otherwise you're

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deals with the situation and with these

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numbers you often see that where there's

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more people there's more reports which

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makes sense where there's more sunshine

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and better weather you see more reports

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because people are outside and can see

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the sky more so I mean so the way

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populations move have a lot to do with

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how things are reported but don't

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necessarily reflect on the phenomena

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itself I think but some one way if

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way pop culture influenced right very

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much so it really is I mean when hangar

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show they had a huge increase in

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sighting reports now let me ask you

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something do you know if apart me do you

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lot of sighting reports as well or was

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it just MUFON he has those trends his

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trends are a little different

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but because he's not always featured you

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know they're featured on shows sometimes

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they're featured on the same shows

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can't see that trend and if you ask him

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he'll that he'll be he'll

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tell you that as well he gets different

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media attention but he does get media

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attention so whenever he gets a story

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he'll have an increase himself so it's

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heavily influenced by the the media

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attention that deeds which makes sense

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awareness that people get that they

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exist and you know when someone watches

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a TV show and you know someone like new

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fork or move on is mentioned then they

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couple years ago or five years ago or

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ten years ago or or it even happens you

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thing so I'm gonna report I mean that's

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how Kurt Russell yeah if you remember

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last year reported and said yeah he was

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a part of the Phoenix Isis from a

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television show so that that often

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produces yeah a lot of reports now you

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the Nimitz and I did see there's a lot

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let's see Fox News ran something with

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that you know getting Harry Reid to help

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out to find the documents and I know

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what is it I have den of geek I thought

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the story coming out this week at there

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that it's taking a long time for them to

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get it out just because uh you know I I

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think second billing to the sci-fi

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industries entertainment industries uh

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new so I have a story on the Nimitz

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coming out and then I have another

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longer story on the program and its

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relation to it's gonna walk a ranch and

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and Bob Bigelow in that history um why

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their magazine but one interesting part

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to this is that the SSE the Society for

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scientific exploration they've gotten

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some news especially by George Knapp

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was John Alexander who lives in Las

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the event and then how put up and held

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up is a physicist who was involved with

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the big low organization the bass and

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this ain't hip and a swap sees these

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different names at the the Pentagon

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project had so that was featured heavily

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at the the conference or John Alexander

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then how put of having you know very

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intimate knowledge of the more recent

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investigations discussed that and the

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Pentagon and that sort of stuff I wish I

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could have been there because I'm sure

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he shared information that he hasn't

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shared before and I should note that

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Intelligence he's worked in that defense

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industry he did work with big low and

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skinwalker and he was instrumental in

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helping organize the whole thing early

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on years ago in the 90s right Wow

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with George Knapp tried to get him to

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just drop in for a few minutes but he

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said get back to me in the fall he's

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that happy well so busy all the time

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he is busy all the time I mean there's

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sweeps I spoke to him I speak to him

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periodically and yeah and his messages

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will be really short during sweeps and

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stuff but from what I understand he's

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good he is going to want to help to

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promote the skinwalker documentary that

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Jeremy Korbel has just finished and will

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be out on iTunes soon and so and and a

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lot of it has to do with him because he

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wanted to make a documentary of all of

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this early on but he couldn't he was

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asked not to but he had videotape yet it

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had gotten a lot of footage so this

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footage is now going to be part of

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corbels documentary and and George Knapp

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is a big part of that so he's very

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excited that this footage is finally

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going to get out and so he's going to be

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promoting it yeah come the fall now I

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several months ago but do you know

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exactly when that's

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to be released in is that only on iTunes

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exactly when all I've heard is summer

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the next month or two it will be on

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iTunes but from what I understand they

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haven't confirmed other distribution

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outlets but they've gotten a lot of

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interest and essentially they're in a

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position where they get to pick and

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choose so there will be some other very

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large distribution outlets that they'll

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that's about it well I do appreciate as

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always Alejandro thanks so much and

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we'll be back with you next week right

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my pleasure my friend yeah we'll talk to

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you next week

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all right okay everyone so our guest

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tonight is dr. Bob Wenzel gross he's a

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semi-retired

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much so I don't know if I qualify for

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that he's also a researcher a writer

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presenter and educator with he has two

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non-fiction books out connecting the

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phenomena is one and I know he has also

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some white paper reports out there as

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well we're gonna be talking about all

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that and welcome to the show Bob dr. Bob

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I should say Thank You Martin it's great

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to see you again great to be here yeah

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yeah yeah we met in in February and that

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was a lot of fun wasn't it yes it was a

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terrific group terrific conference yeah

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absolutely absolutely so we're gonna can

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you kind of up for the person hearing

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you for the first time can you give them

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your your your basic background and you

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know actually what made you interested

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in this topic overall well the my

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professional involvement in the whole

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UFO phenomenon okay I can go back for

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but I'll just start there because I'm

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pretty old and much time but if I'll go

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back to 1984 how does that sound

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yes and good round number s yeah yes

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that's not when I was born though but

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died in 1984 that's when I received my

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doctorate from Penn State and my major

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was in music education hmm and my minor

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was in general studies and because my

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doctoral dissertation involved

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electronic music I was actually doing a

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lot of full-blown scientific experiments

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back then working on turning analog

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sound into digital sound which there

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really wasn't much as far as digital

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sound went back in 1984 and since I had

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a doctorate in music education I thought

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I'd put that into good use so in 1985 I

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decided I was going to write a

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children's musical and I wanted the

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musical to be about something that was

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popular and back in 85 things like

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battles in honor of a space and

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extraterrestrials and star wars and the

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movies et and Star Trek and Star Wars

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were popular so I decided I was going to

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write a musical about UFOs and I thought

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that would really be popular for young

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kids so I I I looked around Pennsylvania

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area and I located a group from

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Pennsylvania it was a clearinghouse

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known as the Pennsylvania Association

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for the study of the unexplained and I

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joined that organization yeah I think

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was in April of 1985 to learn as much as

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I could about you UFOs for my children's

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musical that I was writing hmm and

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that's what kind of really kicked off my

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formal studies in

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you know studying about the whole UFO

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phenomena Wow and so did you really

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enjoy the organization and I'm trying to

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think is that the one I'm trying to

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think of who the main person that's on

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the studies been on the show so many

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times I yeah that's him yeah is he part

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of that he is isn't he back in 1984-85

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yes and so that was the group I worked

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with and started that's why I started

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learning and became a field investigator

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and I was with that group for a few

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years and in 1987 they had a national it

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was a national UFO information week that

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pass as well as MUFON from siguen Texas

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they sponsored it and they held this

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event that the Greensburg law which is

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in Westmoreland County Pennsylvania so I

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attended that event and to make a long

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story short it was very well attended I

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say over the thousand you know maybe a

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couple of thousand people attended this

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mall and I actually when I was there and

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the event was at the I think it was like

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the west end of the mall and I was

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walking around around the north end of

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the mall listening in on people's

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conversations and there was this group

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that was gathering at the north end of

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the mall far away from where the

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displays were and I kind of worked my

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way in to hear what was going on and and

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what it was where there were two

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witnesses describing what happened at

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the Kecksburg case back in 1965 and I

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was the first time that I think

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witnesses came forward this was in 87 so

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about 20 22 years later with testimony

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about the Kecksburg case so I was like

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thrilled to hear all that and back in 85

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I did happen

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the Kecksburg case unfolding on KDKA

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radio that's why I became kind of

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obsessed with the whole Kecksburg case

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so really really got my heart pumping to

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hear witnesses give testimony about what

385
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happened that night on December 9th back

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in 1965 the Kecksburg so I was kind of

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hooked in though the whole UFO

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phenomenon field

389
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Wow now I know Stan Gordon that it's

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kind of like his baby in a way you know

391
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Kecksburg you know he I actually had him

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on debating John venturi along with

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someone else when it came to one of the

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satellites but you have a different

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you're you came up with a different

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satellite that you think this could have

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been right am I getting that right you

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know I see the Skype screen is frozen

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and looks like our guest is frozen so

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hang on everyone

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I'm not sure I might have to bring him

402
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back just hang in there if you would all

403
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:10,280
right and let's see I'll add him to the

404
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so we did a test ahead of time

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everything was good so we will just have

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to continue on so live listeners thank

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you for hanging in here and he is not

408
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picking up and Skype so not as of yet he

409
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may he may call back so at this point so

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the Kecksburg case 1965 there were

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several witnesses it's really you know

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quite amazing this thing shot across the

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sky and then it did some type of angle

414
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turn and it was a very bright and very

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low and people were saying that appeared

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to be moving along rather slowly with

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like a stream of a fire behind it so it

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landed in the woods and I remember I

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think Stan Gordon who were mentioning

420
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earlier was actually listening to the

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radio live I'm hearing strange noises

422
00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:34,410
there's dr. Bob uh can you hear me on

423
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:42,950
you sound is sounding very much like

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Alvin and the Chipmunks so we're gonna

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hang up on you and try again I'm gonna

426
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:49,200
get you to start singing some Christmas

427
00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:53,280
songs here alright so we'll try him he

428
00:21:00,290 --> 00:20:58,110
did come across visually but that was

429
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I'm gonna keep that recording and I like

430
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:03,890
that that's it's a very alien sounding

431
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:07,970
so this thing crashes in a wooded area

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and there were some what eyewitnesses

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she's coming back again let's see how

434
00:21:20,030 --> 00:21:17,820
he's like dr. Bob can you hear me I can

435
00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:20,040
hear you do you know what happened on

436
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:20,550
your end

437
00:21:25,340 --> 00:21:23,940
no everything just went black yeah it's

438
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definitely the government they always do

439
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that we had happen in the future

440
00:21:32,020 --> 00:21:30,440
all right well whatever if you didn't do

441
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anything I can't tell you not to do it

442
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:37,400
again so Wow all right so you're not up

443
00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:41,150
visually yet so when things like this

444
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happen

445
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you know I can't I seems to me that I

446
00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:45,260
asked you a question of course you

447
00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:48,710
didn't hear it so we were talking about

448
00:21:55,630 --> 00:21:50,630
you were getting interested in Kecksburg

449
00:21:58,270 --> 00:21:55,640
and also I started telling the listening

450
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audience basically what happened there I

451
00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:00,500
didn't really get into anything much

452
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:02,390
further than the thing doing the zigzag

453
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,530
in the sky and crashing in the woods but

454
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:08,720
do you want to just go over what you

455
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:09,410
know about that

456
00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:13,370
that story in particular the Kecksburg

457
00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:16,340
incident started now I can see myself by

458
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:19,700
the way in the corner of the video which

459
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I couldn't before so I don't know what

460
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:21,950
that means

461
00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:25,130
but uh yeah you're not a visual right

462
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:30,590
now which is fine so this was in 1965

463
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and in Kecksburg Pennsylvania what

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happened

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it was around 447 p.m. on December 9th

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1965 and there were hundreds of

467
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witnesses in several different states

468
00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:48,020
and cluding Canada that basically saw

469
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this fireball coming in in a

470
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southeasterly direction and when the

471
00:23:02,350 --> 00:22:58,760
fireball got to about Ohio it slowed and

472
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:02,360
it made a turn left started heading

473
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towards Pennsylvania and when this

474
00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:08,380
fireball got between I think it was

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later over Pennsylvania and another a

476
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,110
little community it made all right and

477
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started heading south and then when I

478
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got south amid a u-turn and headed up it

479
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landed in Kecksburg and I made a

480
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semi-soft landing in the woods in

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Kecksburg and right before it landed it

482
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kind of morphed from a fireball into a

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four pointed fiery star and at that

484
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point when it was reported on the KDKA

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radio

486
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ktk in television a lot of people

487
00:23:51,399 --> 00:23:47,149
started hearing about it and they

488
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started traveling out to Kecksburg now

489
00:23:55,509 --> 00:23:53,720
my parents wouldn't let me go out I was

490
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only 17 years old at the time I'm not a

491
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very good driver and they would not

492
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travel 53 miles in their relatively new

493
00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:05,029
car out to Kecksburg but and I thought

494
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the whole thing ended right that in

495
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there but so later on that evening there

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were quite a few people got there some

497
00:24:19,299 --> 00:24:15,730
of the witnesses like that I heard in

498
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1987 get testimony there were groups of

499
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people that got into the woods before

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the police and the army arrived and they

501
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:30,769
saw this object lying in this in the

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woods in kind of a shallow River batter

503
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creek bed and it was an object that was

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a large acorn shaped object that was

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shiny golden color and it had a

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protuberance on the front that some

507
00:24:57,249 --> 00:24:53,000
people reported look like a burnt orange

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00:25:00,519 --> 00:24:57,259
colored trashcan and also the object was

509
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:00,529
giving off really bright flashes what

510
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,769
was there on the earth about garage say

511
00:25:08,139 --> 00:25:05,600
hey we're gonna have to we're gonna have

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to end it right there we'll come back to

513
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it here we have a break we're coming so

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we'll get right back on that and you're

515
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:14,480
just basically talking about what people

516
00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:17,809
said they're witnessing so hang in there

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00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,940
we are coming up on a break now so

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you're listening to podcast UFO on kgr a

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radio my guest is dr. Robert or dr. Bob

520
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as he likes to be called gross and we'll

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be right back after this commercial

522
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:38,230
alright gang we've got three minute half

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minutes in this bright alright very good

524
00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:43,279
thank you so just to let the YouTube

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listener know so the way things have to

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go the only way I can keep this show

527
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:51,139
basically going on YouTube and kgr a

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radio at the same time is first of all

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have no intro or out

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music unfortunately that may change of

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00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:01,210
that will change kgr a is getting a new

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board and so that'll be coming up for

533
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music as far as the breaks go so I had

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00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:10,360
two choices I can end the I can end the

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stream and basically put everyone on

536
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,740
hold or you can hear the chitchat behind

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00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:17,440
the scenes so I figured most people

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would enjoy that a little bit more than

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for me just putting the whole show on

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pause so that's what we're gonna do so

541
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:25,809
if you're listening to YouTube whether

542
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:27,640
you're watching it later or you're

543
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:29,170
watching it live you're just going to

544
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:32,350
hear behind the scenes chitchat during

545
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:33,580
the breaks

546
00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:35,530
you won't hear the commercials actually

547
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:38,800
so anyway Bob we'll get back to that

548
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:41,890
we'll get back to that where you were

549
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:44,830
talking about very interesting that so

550
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:47,350
many turns and twists in this particular

551
00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:52,650
case it's really fascinating yes and

552
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:55,990
especially when people are talking about

553
00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:58,090
you know possibly the thing being

554
00:27:01,919 --> 00:26:59,650
transported to wright-patterson but

555
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:01,929
we'll get into all that are you still

556
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:05,220
and living in the Pennsylvania area now

557
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:10,510
no I left the Pennsylvania area in 1992

558
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:12,010
when I first started working with the

559
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:16,410
government but I was a teacher I taught

560
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:19,030
in the schools and the public schools

561
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,270
and in the Penn State University as well

562
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:24,240
as Indiana University of Pennsylvania

563
00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:30,910
for 17 know 23 years and then I was an

564
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:35,500
administrator for 17 years Wow so doing

565
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:39,520
the math you are an old guy yes sir I'm

566
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:42,820
just teasing so oh so what state do you

567
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:46,590
live in these days right now I

568
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:48,760
ah uh-huh

569
00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:53,980
and what's the UFO of sightings like in

570
00:28:00,530 --> 00:27:57,280
that states not really high is it no I

571
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:00,540
mean I can't think of a single occasion

572
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,530
it's pretty low there's some in

573
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:04,240
Indianapolis but other than that there's

574
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,510
not a lot yeah I can't really think of

575
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:08,559
any

576
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:10,870
killer case you know it's quite a few in

577
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:15,279
Illinois and Ohio I know of some that

578
00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:19,840
were there but you know Iowa Indiana I

579
00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:21,580
just can't think of too many things

580
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:25,899
going on in that out in that area you

581
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:29,710
know it's not that there's not that many

582
00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:32,710
people that really get into that type of

583
00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:34,840
thing here as compared to other places

584
00:28:39,899 --> 00:28:36,820
like Texas and so forth

585
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:39,909
Wow so Monica in the chat room says cool

586
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:44,710
another Hoosier yes I am now you are now

587
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,450
so transplanted Hoosier yeah so in the

588
00:28:54,869 --> 00:28:52,440
chat just if anyone has any questions

589
00:28:58,139 --> 00:28:54,879
I'm gonna be able to take them later on

590
00:29:02,669 --> 00:28:58,149
also it seems to me as we were starting

591
00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:02,679
the show we had some issues with Skype

592
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:05,019
I'm not sure exactly what's going on

593
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:06,340
with that so we may not be able to take

594
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:08,950
any calls this evening we are going to

595
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:11,919
be having another call number through PO

596
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:12,490
GRA

597
00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:16,210
let's go okay Brent go ahead countdown I

598
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:17,590
don't want to bang in on you there no

599
00:29:21,869 --> 00:29:19,450
problem at all no problem all right here

600
00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:21,879
we go let's get back on the air in five

601
00:29:31,739 --> 00:29:27,580
four three two hey welcome back to

602
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:31,749
podcast UFO on kgr a radio that's a cage

603
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:35,950
er a radio calm my guest is dr. Bob

604
00:29:41,639 --> 00:29:39,070
Gross very excited to talk to him

605
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:41,649
tonight we were talking before the break

606
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:45,480
about Kecksburg and of the crash and

607
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:51,610
what people were seeing now Bob so there

608
00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:53,080
were people that actually ventured into

609
00:30:01,080 --> 00:29:54,789
deep into the woods where this thing

610
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:01,090
crash right yes and the witnesses you

611
00:30:05,369 --> 00:30:03,070
spoke to or you heard speak at the mall

612
00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:05,379
that evening were any of them people

613
00:30:11,159 --> 00:30:08,889
that actually went into the woods yes

614
00:30:13,139 --> 00:30:11,169
according to what these two witnesses

615
00:30:16,139 --> 00:30:13,149
and they were both gentlemen according

616
00:30:18,869 --> 00:30:16,149
to what I overheard that day at the mall

617
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:18,879
both of them actually wandered into the

618
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:21,420
woods right after the

619
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:24,450
object landed but it appeared like they

620
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:28,920
were on opposite sides of the object one

621
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:31,290
in the one male individual was by

622
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:34,470
himself and the other individual was

623
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:35,940
with a group of friends and they

624
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,940
allegedly had flash cameras with them

625
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:44,000
I'd never heard that part so did they

626
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:48,990
did were pictures taken now at that

627
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:52,320
event in 1987 yes the witness claimed

628
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:55,650
that they were taking pictures of the

629
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:02,580
object that fell and that witness

630
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:05,040
claimed that the bright flashes that the

631
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:08,460
first witness saw were possibly coming

632
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:12,330
from the flashbulbs on the cameras that

633
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:15,110
he and his friends were using that night

634
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:18,420
but as you know like later on when I was

635
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,020
doing my research there indicates that

636
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:25,500
there was a strobe light on the device

637
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:28,470
on the film bucket that was actually in

638
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:31,170
the woods that night so that also would

639
00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:33,090
have been causing those bright arcing

640
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:36,150
lights to appear what the one witness

641
00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:38,550
did claimed that he and his friends had

642
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:41,040
snuck into the woods before the police

643
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:43,260
in the military got there and they did

644
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:45,030
have cameras with them and they took

645
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:48,810
pictures of them and this was probably

646
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,780
again 87 might have been this might have

647
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:53,580
been the very first witnesses to ever

648
00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:56,670
testify about seeing something at

649
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:01,340
Kecksburg that night when these people

650
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:05,070
were in there there was the military

651
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,270
came right yes they now the military got

652
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:11,640
there it's a there's a discrepancy as

653
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:13,650
how quickly they got there they got

654
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:16,980
there pretty quickly after the object

655
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,290
that a semi-soft landing in the woods

656
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:24,720
and allegedly they hauled it away the

657
00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:30,480
military hardware so what is the if this

658
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:32,160
thing it can't be explained as this

659
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:33,690
satellite you know we're gonna get more

660
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:34,780
into that

661
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:39,290
why all the secrecy can you explain why

662
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:43,010
that was the way yes handled the way it

663
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,630
was I can from my research and in a

664
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:50,960
couple of different ways the one thing

665
00:32:57,550 --> 00:32:54,800
is that the there was a satellite

666
00:33:02,020 --> 00:32:57,560
program known as the corona satellite

667
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:02,030
program that existed that time at that

668
00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:04,670
time it was top secret so no one knew

669
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:06,800
anything about it and that program

670
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:13,940
existed from about 1959 to 1972 and that

671
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:17,000
program was a spy satellite program

672
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:19,910
where the satellites were launched

673
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:22,400
mostly from Vandenberg Air Force Base in

674
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:25,510
California and then they took

675
00:33:31,870 --> 00:33:28,760
photographs of places in Russia and

676
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:31,880
China and so forth that the United

677
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:35,000
States was interested in and that was a

678
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:39,770
top-secret program and that's one reason

679
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:41,870
that they wouldn't they wouldn't tell

680
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:45,340
anyone because these top-secret programs

681
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:51,140
didn't become declassified until 1996 I

682
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:55,550
think it was not the same go ahead you

683
00:34:02,140 --> 00:33:58,010
have a question no no no go ahead at the

684
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,150
same time I found out that they were the

685
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Air Force and the CIA were coal

686
00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:08,570
producers of the corona program at the

687
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:11,120
same time I found out that Corona some

688
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:14,360
corona satellites were being used to

689
00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:18,280
test the radioactivity in the atmosphere

690
00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:22,400
because Russia and United States and

691
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:24,860
China were exploding essentially atomic

692
00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:27,290
bombs in the atmosphere hmm and they

693
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:30,740
were trying to keep track of how heavy

694
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:35,720
the radioactivity was getting now that's

695
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:38,210
yeah two reasons they could have been

696
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,780
using that okay now I think I heard you

697
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,270
say just a few minutes ago the film

698
00:34:49,869 --> 00:34:46,879
bucket I know that they used to

699
00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:49,879
you know take the images via satellite

700
00:34:56,169 --> 00:34:52,339
and drop the film this is not what

701
00:35:00,249 --> 00:34:56,179
you're thinking this particular case was

702
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:00,259
was just a film bucket is it or is it it

703
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,470
was a film bucket that it was also the

704
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:05,900
film bucket is inside of a recovery

705
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:10,700
vehicle recovery vehicle is almost looks

706
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:13,369
like a a nose cone it's also a type of a

707
00:35:22,259 --> 00:35:17,230
capsule and the recovery vehicles have

708
00:35:25,029 --> 00:35:22,269
not only retrorockets but they also have

709
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:25,039
stabilization jets and they can be

710
00:35:36,279 --> 00:35:31,900
steered and okay so that explains the

711
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:36,289
case of it taking as a zig and zag zag

712
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:44,000
in the sky exactly and so how how did it

713
00:35:49,269 --> 00:35:46,450
come down though and in such a you know

714
00:35:51,009 --> 00:35:49,279
you know an area rural area but still

715
00:35:57,309 --> 00:35:51,019
somewhere where could have caused a

716
00:35:59,980 --> 00:35:57,319
damage did something fail I don't know

717
00:36:04,410 --> 00:35:59,990
that something failed there they did

718
00:36:08,859 --> 00:36:04,420
have a double parachute system and

719
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:08,869
witnesses that heard the recovery

720
00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:10,910
vehicle passing over headed about 200

721
00:36:17,499 --> 00:36:15,109
feet could hear it hissing so it was

722
00:36:22,299 --> 00:36:17,509
using its stabilization that was using

723
00:36:24,789 --> 00:36:22,309
bottled gas to powered as well witnesses

724
00:36:26,259 --> 00:36:24,799
could hear it hissing ah so that could

725
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,269
have slowed it up and it also had a

726
00:36:32,289 --> 00:36:29,359
double parachute system which it would

727
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:32,299
have deployed and that double parachute

728
00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:37,420
system had four like they were like

729
00:36:44,799 --> 00:36:41,720
explosives that were tied to these

730
00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:44,809
devices that would have ejected the

731
00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:48,349
parachute out of the recovery vehicle so

732
00:36:54,130 --> 00:36:50,869
you had those two things going for it

733
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:54,140
that could have slowed it down and also

734
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,119
the trees that were the tree some of the

735
00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:58,880
trees were damaged but it it could have

736
00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:00,740
gotten to that speed

737
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:02,390
where it could have landed well too much

738
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:05,510
damage so someone just posted in the in

739
00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:07,850
the message board which i think is a

740
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:10,280
good question so obviously if the

741
00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:12,410
military showed up there they were

742
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:14,780
tracking they were tracking what was

743
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:18,890
going on obviously is that so yes sir

744
00:37:26,109 --> 00:37:21,920
they had a the the the the film bucket

745
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:26,119
also had a type of tracking device on it

746
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:28,040
it had an antenna and a tracking device

747
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:31,270
that was part of the film bucket itself

748
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:33,770
so that's how they could have tracked it

749
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:37,040
the whole time well this is you know so

750
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,500
it was definitely a UFO for the people

751
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:41,920
that watched it because who is

752
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:46,430
unidentified to them yeah and what about

753
00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:49,700
now are there some people that are just

754
00:37:56,590 --> 00:37:53,540
hanging on tightly to this thing being

755
00:38:01,090 --> 00:37:56,600
you know either extraterrestrial or you

756
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:01,100
know just a plain UFO unknown or are

757
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:03,320
people more or less coming around to the

758
00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:07,430
idea that this was some type of

759
00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:11,060
satellite funny you should say that

760
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:15,320
because after I did my presentation in

761
00:38:22,359 --> 00:38:20,320
at the International UFO Congress I

762
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:22,369
thought there was going to be quite a

763
00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:24,710
few people bothered by the fact that I

764
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:26,359
act you know and I had all the evidence

765
00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:29,900
because I I have over 400 slides and so

766
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:35,390
forth of the research that I did and not

767
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:38,540
one person complained in fact several

768
00:38:45,609 --> 00:38:40,940
people thanked me came up afterwards

769
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:45,619
affected me for solving that riddle so

770
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:49,040
Nick great and even I had attorneys and

771
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:51,980
law professors coming up that day or the

772
00:38:58,599 --> 00:38:54,290
day after represented and everyone said

773
00:39:02,260 --> 00:38:58,609
you know thank you for solving that that

774
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,270
mystery and you know up until a few

775
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,119
years ago I was always tossed between it

776
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:08,720
was some type of deep-space probe or

777
00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:12,290
possibly a UFO from another planet of

778
00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:14,540
some sort but actually

779
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:17,030
I just my chance for some other research

780
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:19,190
I was doing for another presentation in

781
00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:22,520
Texas I started running across the

782
00:39:28,990 --> 00:39:26,300
information that was Declassified and it

783
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:29,000
fit like a tee it just kept coming at me

784
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:33,370
I have like thousands of pages of

785
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,340
documentation that shows that that's

786
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:39,920
probably what it was all right so

787
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:41,330
there's there's some people that have

788
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:44,750
written books on you know the Kecksburg

789
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:47,140
as a UFO

790
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:50,990
do you know if they're actually still

791
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:53,660
hanging on to the idea or do you think

792
00:40:00,430 --> 00:39:57,650
that you know I know how people get they

793
00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:00,440
get vested in like a story and they they

794
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:01,790
don't want to give up that idea have you

795
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,260
had any backlash from anyone none in

796
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:09,440
fact right before there was there was a

797
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:12,620
a an article that I put together that

798
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:16,880
was published in the UFO Chronicle then

799
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:19,370
explained you know what I found in my

800
00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:23,420
research and I let everybody know that I

801
00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:25,820
was going to have this article published

802
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:30,620
did they give him a heads up and Justin

803
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:34,070
Otto professional courtesy and not one

804
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:39,980
person complained I even contacted the

805
00:40:46,330 --> 00:40:42,380
town of Kecksburg the fire department

806
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:46,340
there that has a number posted and I let

807
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:48,290
them know that hey you know I mean

808
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:50,270
before this goes out I want to let you

809
00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:52,250
know and here's a you know here's what

810
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:55,100
I'm going to be saying in my report and

811
00:41:00,820 --> 00:40:58,760
no way even got back to me now they have

812
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:00,830
a monument there they someone spent some

813
00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:05,450
money on a monument yes yeah so Wow

814
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:10,040
and I think it's great that when a case

815
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:12,200
even though you know this is going back

816
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:15,110
some some years have you heard from any

817
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:20,990
of the witnesses the Kecksburg events

818
00:41:28,099 --> 00:41:27,260
yeah not that I can recall no I have not

819
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:28,109
heard back

820
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,249
I would think that those people if

821
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,380
anyone at all would really like to know

822
00:41:40,579 --> 00:41:37,140
about you know the decoding of what

823
00:41:44,059 --> 00:41:40,589
actually happened and you know just to

824
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:44,069
kind of put it behind them well there

825
00:41:52,779 --> 00:41:48,150
there is one witness and I don't want to

826
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:52,789
mention his name that I spoke with

827
00:42:04,400 --> 00:41:58,319
because I also let him know about what

828
00:42:06,949 --> 00:42:04,410
my report and he agreed with me oh well

829
00:42:10,729 --> 00:42:06,959
that's good that's good

830
00:42:13,549 --> 00:42:10,739
now what about you have their stories of

831
00:42:16,789 --> 00:42:13,559
course and there's one of the stories

832
00:42:19,489 --> 00:42:16,799
that you hear about Kecksburg as this

833
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:19,499
thing going to right field I think it

834
00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:20,400
was called I don't know if was

835
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:23,009
wright-patterson and then yes yes okay

836
00:42:30,249 --> 00:42:26,099
so it goes there supposedly someone

837
00:42:33,049 --> 00:42:30,259
talks about a hanger being guarded and

838
00:42:36,859 --> 00:42:33,059
walking in and seeing an alien arm

839
00:42:39,229 --> 00:42:36,869
hanging off of a table now this is all

840
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:39,239
from memory from talking to other people

841
00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:42,180
I may have some things wrong about this

842
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:44,699
case and so forgive me if that's so but

843
00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:49,400
have you looked at any part of that yes

844
00:43:00,249 --> 00:42:56,969
and the let's call it the the film

845
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:00,259
bucket the it was actually it was a

846
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:05,640
gold-plated acorn shape device mm-hmm

847
00:43:13,339 --> 00:43:09,630
that was transported to wright-patterson

848
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:13,349
Air Force Base so I did some research

849
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:16,140
and that's us this is what really turned

850
00:43:21,469 --> 00:43:19,619
the case for me it's I I think I

851
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:21,479
mentioned the earlier I did my doctoral

852
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:24,569
work at Penn State yes and Penn State

853
00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:29,999
has a nuclear reactor there but most

854
00:43:36,499 --> 00:43:34,289
universities don't have one yeah and I

855
00:43:38,779 --> 00:43:36,509
had when I was doing my doctoral work I

856
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:38,789
I had to put three terms on that main

857
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:41,970
campus so I you know

858
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,420
come on yet nuclear reactor quite a bit

859
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:47,119
that's why I have such a glowing

860
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:54,359
personality but uh the whole idea was

861
00:44:04,280 --> 00:43:59,690
that the Penn State was the leader in

862
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:04,290
nuclear waste control at that time and a

863
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,740
dr. Eric Walker was heading that up and

864
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:11,910
during the time of the Kecksburg

865
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:15,359
incident dr. Walker was also president

866
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,010
of Penn State and he was actually cited

867
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:23,520
at the Kecksburg landing site that night

868
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:29,040
in December of 1965 and he was

869
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:34,140
supervising the removal of anything that

870
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:37,619
would have been contained in that film

871
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:39,810
bucket and there were also witnesses

872
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:41,130
that claimed that they saw people on

873
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:44,460
what they called moon suits which to a

874
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:46,770
radiation protection suits walking

875
00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:50,130
around in the woods of Kecksburg that

876
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:52,080
that evening and they were also carrying

877
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,410
large boxes and I'm doing my research I

878
00:45:00,859 --> 00:44:57,420
found out that those large boxes were

879
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:00,869
used to put radioactive materials in

880
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:03,570
just in case they were doing radioactive

881
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:06,150
or nuclear or nuclear emulsion

882
00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:12,450
experiments on those in in those film

883
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:16,830
buckets which they were so they actually

884
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,359
then transported that that recovery

885
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:22,800
vehicle in the film bucket to

886
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:25,430
wright-patterson Air Force Base and

887
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:29,400
somebody did see it there in a hangar

888
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:35,970
and it was the device was sitting in

889
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:37,080
such a way that there was like a

890
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:40,680
parachute device you know it was head it

891
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:43,770
was underneath a parachute device so I

892
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:48,450
found photographs of another film bucket

893
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:50,790
on display and a science conference and

894
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:54,780
it was on display under a parachute the

895
00:45:59,359 --> 00:45:55,740
parachute was a

896
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:59,369
and the film bucket was beneath oh so

897
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:01,470
you're thinking when that person peered

898
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,910
into the hangar they were seeing

899
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,599
basically

900
00:46:10,359 --> 00:46:05,700
the film bucket with the parachute over

901
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:10,369
it yes but no arm dangling I guess that

902
00:46:17,299 --> 00:46:15,569
no the arm the only thing that the alarm

903
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:17,309
could have been okay I I went through

904
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,089
this there's a possibility because there

905
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:23,119
could have been a variety of different

906
00:46:30,049 --> 00:46:27,300
nuclear experiments onboard that film

907
00:46:33,339 --> 00:46:30,059
bucket because the NASA and the

908
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,349
government did not describe that

909
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:36,480
experiment like other experiments I

910
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:41,609
looked at every single the launch of a

911
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:43,530
corona satellite that I could get a hold

912
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:47,160
of and most of them had the nuclear

913
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,050
experiments that were inside they had

914
00:46:54,859 --> 00:46:52,859
them described this is the only flight

915
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:54,869
that I found the only mission I found

916
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,380
that did not have the nuclear experiment

917
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,380
described so I went through a whole

918
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,540
scenario of I find out the kind of

919
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,240
nuclear experiments that could have been

920
00:47:10,569 --> 00:47:08,760
onboard that satellite and one of them

921
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:10,579
was they were doing experiments with

922
00:47:15,799 --> 00:47:13,170
monkeys Oh No

923
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,809
yeah they weren't liking to drive him or

924
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:17,520
anything like that but they were putting

925
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:22,740
monkeys in these types of buckets along

926
00:47:29,539 --> 00:47:25,230
with some type of radioactive material

927
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:29,549
to see how radiation in the cosmic

928
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:33,180
radiation would affect a monkey and I

929
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,339
found pictures of these monkeys while

930
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,220
they were still at home and they were

931
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,579
wearing a type of suit that looked like

932
00:47:45,859 --> 00:47:43,260
it was made on a chainmail

933
00:47:50,299 --> 00:47:45,869
but I guess protect the monkey encased

934
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:50,309
the capsule caught on fire and so the

935
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,569
only thing I could think of is they

936
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:53,220
maybe they trained the monkey not you

937
00:47:56,539 --> 00:47:54,569
know there could have been a monkey in

938
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:56,549
one of those experiments that they

939
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:00,710
trained to open up the capsule somehow

940
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:04,230
but I you know I don't know that for

941
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:05,339
sure but that's the only way I could

942
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:09,420
think of that kind of an arm sticking up

943
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:13,380
so that's a possibility and how many of

944
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:16,770
these corona satellites in particular

945
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:20,690
did you find out that were launched oh

946
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:26,460
they were like I don't have my numbers

947
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:28,230
in him it was like a hundred and forty

948
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:30,690
two hun I think they were close to there

949
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:32,220
was somewhere around 200 that were

950
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:36,180
launched from 59 to 72 and there were

951
00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:41,910
quite a few that didn't return oh I was

952
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:43,230
going to ask you that the second

953
00:48:49,610 --> 00:48:45,890
question is were there any other

954
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:49,620
incidents that you know you're aware of

955
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,920
that were similar to Kecksburg as did

956
00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:54,780
things go into the ocean I mean you know

957
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,060
70% water

958
00:49:03,010 --> 00:48:58,950
well someone into the ocean but there

959
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:03,020
was one that went into Venezuela oh and

960
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:08,610
the farmers found it and returned it it

961
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:11,730
wasn't recovered it was returned and I

962
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:14,550
have photographs of that oh my god so

963
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,820
today were they you know checked out for

964
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:19,680
radiation poisoning or anything do you

965
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:23,670
know probably not by the time they found

966
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,030
it I was reading some reports that one

967
00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:28,800
of the farmers that found it they took

968
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:34,860
the the the silk parachute cords and

969
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:38,690
they made suspenders out of it

970
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:44,070
Wow so I haven't heard what happened to

971
00:49:47,570 --> 00:49:45,240
him yeah

972
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:47,580
but there were there it was a it was

973
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,280
totally it was funny because like after

974
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:53,640
that event they started putting signs on

975
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,310
the film buckets in eight different

976
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:58,740
languages saying that there would be a

977
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:00,840
reward if you returned this to the

978
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:04,880
United States ah now that's people did

979
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:07,800
report that they saw but I thought it

980
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:10,740
was like hieroglyphics or something well

981
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:13,310
they reported there was reporting of

982
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,130
seeing symbols around the face of that

983
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,160
acorn Oh simple imagine that mm-hmm

984
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:22,560
now I get again some further research

985
00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:25,910
and the people reported that there were

986
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:28,620
circles and stars were dots in the

987
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:31,560
center and straight lines and broken

988
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:33,990
lines that were making up those symbols

989
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:38,670
well the Philips Laboratory was in

990
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:41,970
charge of the nuclear experiment that

991
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:46,550
was onboard that recovery vehicle and

992
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:49,590
their symbols were they used what's

993
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:51,120
called you know you're familiar with the

994
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:53,670
Zia symbol from being in the you know

995
00:50:59,960 --> 00:50:57,660
the Southwest and also that so that

996
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,970
could have been there they're simple and

997
00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:02,880
they're their company the Philips

998
00:51:07,550 --> 00:51:04,860
Laboratory symbol used the Zia symbol

999
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:07,560
and stars for circles in the center so

1000
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:09,270
they could have been those symbols that

1001
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:13,530
were etched unto the base of the the

1002
00:51:21,380 --> 00:51:16,080
film pocket because I did find reports

1003
00:51:23,810 --> 00:51:21,390
of the satellite preparers writing on

1004
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:23,820
the film buckets labeling them to let

1005
00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:25,710
anybody who recovered the film bucket

1006
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:28,860
know what was inside of that film bucket

1007
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:32,670
I see unusual to have some kind of

1008
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:37,410
symbols on the buckets okay so someone

1009
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,450
mentioned there's a couple of things

1010
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:41,520
coming up in the chat we're going to

1011
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:43,890
break in about four minutes so I do want

1012
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:46,670
to just ask someone did mention that

1013
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:49,800
their reports of the eyewitnesses saying

1014
00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:52,350
that there were no seams they saw no

1015
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:55,470
seams no rivets or anything like that do

1016
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,000
you think it's just the angle they were

1017
00:52:01,810 --> 00:51:59,520
looking at or where did you think when

1018
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:01,820
you came across that part of it

1019
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,600
themselves plastic and gold it was

1020
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:09,000
actually gold-plated it was smooth there

1021
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,510
were no rivets nothing like that on it

1022
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:15,920
so it was a perfectly shiny smooth gold

1023
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:20,670
acorn shaped object okay so we have a we

1024
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,770
have Bobby a regular listener in our

1025
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:24,960
chat room and he's making a pretty good

1026
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:28,680
point and I think so anyway and that is

1027
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:31,020
uh he says he's not buying the theory

1028
00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:33,300
and and I'm not saying that I'm not

1029
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:36,040
buying it but this part I do agree with

1030
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:37,630
the government would have come out long

1031
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:41,110
ago and said sorry this was ours had

1032
00:52:46,350 --> 00:52:43,600
nothing you know nothing to do with a

1033
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:46,360
UFO how come the government you know

1034
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:48,610
it's been what fifty three years now so

1035
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:50,650
why did the government come out and say

1036
00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:52,330
hey look this was ours

1037
00:52:58,530 --> 00:52:57,460
it's declassified now all that stuff the

1038
00:53:01,380 --> 00:52:58,540
NRO

1039
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:01,390
National Reconnaissance Office they're

1040
00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:03,310
kind of in charge of that and I checked

1041
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:07,600
with them back in 2007 and they said

1042
00:53:13,050 --> 00:53:10,030
they some a lot of their projects are

1043
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:13,060
still classified really oh yes

1044
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:16,780
if and I have the evidence that shows

1045
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:19,150
that also here's another thing to think

1046
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:21,610
about let's say that one of the

1047
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:23,140
experiments they were doing nuclear

1048
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:25,060
experiments at that time they were

1049
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:30,090
putting small atomic bombs inside those

1050
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:33,910
film buckets not big ones but small it

1051
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:38,430
okay Wow and those if they were using

1052
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:41,710
atomic bombs for that experiment which

1053
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:45,010
was not described they still cannot

1054
00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:49,750
release that information that is that

1055
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:51,820
was crazy that they would do something

1056
00:54:01,260 --> 00:53:56,020
like that right what's what's not about

1057
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:01,270
Kecksburg is the Chinese exploded a an

1058
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:04,030
atomic bomb larger than the one that was

1059
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:09,760
used in Japan on May 14th of 1965 they

1060
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:15,910
dropped it and dropped it where in Japan

1061
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:19,330
but it was still air dropped and it

1062
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:22,920
would have caused in fact it did cause

1063
00:54:28,590 --> 00:54:25,300
pulverized plutonium to go into the

1064
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:28,600
atmosphere Wow

1065
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:31,210
so that's my thinking is that they could

1066
00:54:34,830 --> 00:54:32,650
have been trying to measure how much

1067
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:34,840
damage that bomb did just a few months

1068
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:37,630
before the Kecksburg incident happen I

1069
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:41,350
see Wow and those things still a secret

1070
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:45,190
Wow okay so we're coming up on the break

1071
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:49,390
here in a minute and we I

1072
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:51,130
do want to talk about Kecksburg a little

1073
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:53,890
bit longer but also I know that you were

1074
00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:56,170
saying that there's some type of

1075
00:55:01,170 --> 00:54:58,840
relationship between Kecksburg and

1076
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,180
Roswell so we'll get into that and the

1077
00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:04,000
second hour so all right so we're coming

1078
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:06,040
up on the break and you're listening to

1079
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:10,450
podcast UFO on kgr a radio and my guest

1080
00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:12,760
is dr. Bob Gross and we'll be right back

1081
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:25,080
alright gang we're in the clear and

1082
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:26,770
there's three minutes in this break as

1083
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:28,690
well guys three minutes very good and

1084
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:30,370
just go ahead and interrupt when we hit

1085
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:34,090
the end of that I will and do you want

1086
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:35,620
to go commercial-free in the back half

1087
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:37,390
yeah if that's if that's okay

1088
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,850
that's okay with me all right sounds

1089
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:42,160
good okay I'll be back in about two

1090
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:43,540
minutes all right sounds good

1091
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:47,050
so yeah I I'm interested to hear what

1092
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:50,350
you have to say about Roswell you know I

1093
00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:53,110
always have my my blanket argument about

1094
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:55,360
Roswell when they say there's nothing to

1095
00:55:58,890 --> 00:55:56,860
see here so we'll be talking about that

1096
00:56:02,790 --> 00:55:58,900
so if you're just joining us now on

1097
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:02,800
YouTube I know Bobby is just now what

1098
00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:05,050
you're going to hear until some things

1099
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:07,720
possibly change on kgr a radio on their

1100
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:10,150
end for now

1101
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:12,100
we're going to be having the breaks the

1102
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:13,690
only way we can do the YouTube

1103
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:17,350
livestream at the same time as kgr a

1104
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,270
radio is to have the brakes kind of live

1105
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:24,640
brakes really and no intro music and no

1106
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:27,160
outro music so we have a music free show

1107
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:30,010
now on YouTube and with the brakes

1108
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:33,940
behind the scenes so so Bob you having a

1109
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:37,480
good time so far yes sir yeah I having a

1110
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:41,350
great time so Mike ever come back up on

1111
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:46,690
the screen let's work on that now so for

1112
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:48,190
some reason is on the corner of my

1113
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:51,850
screen I can see myself this is what I'm

1114
00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:53,710
going to ask you to do and pardon me for

1115
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,600
people listening live so if you can

1116
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,480
figure out by moving your mouse over

1117
00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:00,880
your Skype screen you'll see a camera

1118
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:02,870
and if you click the cam

1119
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,670
off and click it back on let's see if we

1120
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:07,040
can get that back up you want me to do

1121
00:57:11,830 --> 00:57:08,600
that yes you have to do it on your end

1122
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:11,840
yes so don't don't hang up on don't hang

1123
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:14,570
up on me I don't know how to work Skype

1124
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:17,600
so I'm just looks like a camera yeah

1125
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,070
you've got to just take your mouse over

1126
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:20,720
your entire Skype screen you should be

1127
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:23,330
able to see your camera or go into Skype

1128
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:26,450
preferences and I bet someone listening

1129
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:28,010
live right now can tell you exactly how

1130
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:29,630
to do it I have a Mac on this end so I

1131
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:31,970
don't know how to how to work I see I

1132
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:37,190
see the camera image circle okay so

1133
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:38,570
you're gonna want to click on the camera

1134
00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:41,390
and then Jay and then click it again

1135
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,320
after now it's gonna line through it

1136
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:49,040
okay now click it back again there you

1137
00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:52,700
are you're back I see you now in the

1138
00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:55,460
corner - all right

1139
00:58:03,490 --> 00:57:59,090
and it worked all right so so yeah we'll

1140
00:58:05,110 --> 00:58:03,500
have you back on video now Evan yeah

1141
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Evan so you can take over that part of

1142
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:10,010
it if you would so anyway I think we

1143
00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:11,510
only have like a minute and a half or

1144
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:15,140
something like that and so I see I see

1145
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:17,330
the background in your in your room

1146
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:19,670
there looks like you do you really

1147
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:20,840
travel that much

1148
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:24,320
look at those suitcases actually have

1149
00:58:28,450 --> 00:58:26,300
projects in them those are all separate

1150
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:28,460
projects that I'm working on oh my

1151
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:31,100
goodness Wow all right 20 seconds guys

1152
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:35,270
all right that sounds good all right so

1153
00:58:41,830 --> 00:58:37,850
we're going to be talking about Roswell

1154
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:41,840
and we'll kind of wrap up wrap up

1155
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:45,020
Kecksburg just tell me when you get down

1156
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:47,690
to the five well you always do anyway so

1157
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:00,750
there's a long 20 seconds hang in live

1158
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:04,570
listeners all right here we go stand by

1159
00:59:19,850 --> 00:59:13,750
yep bobrucz rollin here all right here

1160
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:19,860
we go in five four three two

1161
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:23,770
welcome back to podcast UFO on kgr a

1162
00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:28,390
radio that's kgr a radio calm my guest

1163
00:59:33,090 --> 00:59:30,940
is dr. Bob gross and we were talking

1164
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:33,100
about Kecksburg we're just getting ready

1165
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:37,840
to just about wrap that up so I think

1166
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:41,560
it's interesting and you fairly you're

1167
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:43,330
fairly convinced that you figured out

1168
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:48,400
that this is what fits now let me ask

1169
00:59:54,030 --> 00:59:51,610
you about this I think it was I know it

1170
00:59:55,950 --> 00:59:54,040
was John venturi together with someone

1171
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:55,960
else and I'm sorry they were both on the

1172
01:00:01,860 --> 00:59:59,680
show they had a different satellite a GE

1173
01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:01,870
satellite right I mean that they were

1174
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:04,300
thinking was someone - what's that

1175
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:08,170
mark - GE right and this had nothing to

1176
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:15,130
do with that in your opinion I had some

1177
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:17,560
lengthy discussions with one of those

1178
01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:20,860
two gentlemen and at the end of what I

1179
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:25,420
we were comparing notes and they agreed

1180
01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:28,270
that my solution fit better

1181
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:31,900
oh isn't that that's so nice to hear and

1182
01:00:38,130 --> 01:00:36,810
I have it in writing you're a smart man

1183
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:38,140
Wow

1184
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:42,400
so yeah you know they were actually on

1185
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:46,290
my show and they debated Stan Gordon no

1186
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:49,810
no you listen to the show so yeah and

1187
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:51,640
what do you think what does Stan Gordon

1188
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:54,070
thinking these days what's his what's

1189
01:01:02,030 --> 01:00:55,630
his stand on it now as far as you know

1190
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,040
can you answer that I have no idea I I

1191
01:01:08,730 --> 01:01:06,160
had talked to Stan a couple of years ago

1192
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:08,740
and emailed him

1193
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:10,330
when I was living in Texas because I was

1194
01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:14,530
thinking about starting a collaborative

1195
01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:20,100
where of people who were basically

1196
01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:21,820
individuals who use something the

1197
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:24,990
scientific method to solve phenomena and

1198
01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:28,030
I started collaborating with him when I

1199
01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:31,150
was living in Texas and back then we

1200
01:01:38,550 --> 01:01:34,360
were he was asking me if I had any new

1201
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:38,560
ideas about the Kecksburg incident and I

1202
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:40,810
mentioned to him I think I mentioned to

1203
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,380
him about the you know the dr. Eric

1204
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:47,200
Walker being there but I hadn't pursued

1205
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:50,950
that yet so I know he was still looking

1206
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:55,119
at the Kecksburg case and this would

1207
01:02:04,830 --> 01:01:58,330
have been around 2013 I have some email

1208
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:04,840
communications with them and but I and I

1209
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:08,670
like I when I was ready to release that

1210
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:12,850
article I did contact the fire there's a

1211
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:16,420
was a number on Stan Gordon's website

1212
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:19,810
and it's said to call that number if you

1213
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:21,490
had any other information and I called

1214
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:23,320
them and said hey get ready I'm getting

1215
01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:27,850
to release this and they said they get

1216
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:31,140
packed I mean they never did so I would

1217
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:33,970
stand stands a very thorough and

1218
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:37,420
reasonable guy so as far you know every

1219
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:39,250
time I've talked to him which he's been

1220
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:41,369
on the show I think four or five times a

1221
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:46,390
very reasonable intelligent I think that

1222
01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:50,230
he would be happy you know next time I

1223
01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:52,180
talk to him I'll ask him but I think

1224
01:02:55,830 --> 01:02:53,980
that he'd be happy that it solved I

1225
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,840
don't think that he would be one of

1226
01:03:01,530 --> 01:02:57,520
these people that tries to hang on to

1227
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:01,540
you know older thoughts and he never he

1228
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:03,250
always had that it could have been a

1229
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:06,730
man-made object in his possible

1230
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,630
solutions as far as I've known him I'll

1231
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:11,680
be honest with you I was a little

1232
01:03:17,490 --> 01:03:14,230
disappointed in his approach to John

1233
01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:17,500
venturi that show that you had because

1234
01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:19,960
there's some things that I know Stan

1235
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:22,180
doesn't know that should have

1236
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:26,020
not been you know included in the mix

1237
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:28,500
but I don't want to talk about those but

1238
01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:32,170
there there are some things that I felt

1239
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,080
bad for John Gentry a bit because there

1240
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:36,880
there's some some other things that I've

1241
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:41,170
found out that dopey per in to what they

1242
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:43,810
were talking about I see well we're

1243
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:45,910
going to be talking about a course

1244
01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:50,470
Kecksburg as it as as we go along here

1245
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:53,830
when it comes to the Roswell case but

1246
01:03:58,980 --> 01:03:57,160
let's let's jump into that I don't think

1247
01:04:01,140 --> 01:03:58,990
that there's any reason at all we have

1248
01:04:03,030 --> 01:04:01,150
to explain what happened or what

1249
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:03,040
supposedly happened at Roswell I think

1250
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:06,310
you know as far as the United States

1251
01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:10,470
goes there's no other case so well known

1252
01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:14,950
so I guess we'll this happened you know

1253
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,960
around in July early July 1947 just a

1254
01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:21,280
few weeks after the Kenneth Arnold

1255
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:24,220
sighting there was kind of UFO mania

1256
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:26,470
going on people were seeing saucers

1257
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:29,470
everywhere and I do believe people were

1258
01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:32,380
seeing something and you know there's

1259
01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:35,140
people that have theories about the

1260
01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:39,670
modern so-called modern UFO I don't want

1261
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:41,590
to say flap or movement or whatever but

1262
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:44,680
you know modern UFO starting in 1947

1263
01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:47,620
I know I've spoken to Stan Friedman he

1264
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:50,860
thinks it's very possible that if it is

1265
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:53,170
extraterrestrial and he does think that

1266
01:05:02,670 --> 01:04:58,980
some UFOs he always says some UFOs that

1267
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:02,680
they saw you know our nuclear explosions

1268
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:04,330
and you know they came to see you know

1269
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:07,300
the the kids found the matches so they

1270
01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:11,130
came you know to explore us so that's

1271
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:14,350
one of the reasons Stan says he thinks

1272
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:17,050
you know the activity started in 1947

1273
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:18,610
and by the way for those people that

1274
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:21,730
don't know Stan Friedman is going to

1275
01:05:28,380 --> 01:05:24,910
he's up 81 I think he's going to be

1276
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:28,390
retiring very soon and I'm attempting to

1277
01:05:35,790 --> 01:05:31,390
get him on as a retirement show on this

1278
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:35,800
on podcast UFO upcoming however I spoke

1279
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:36,020
to

1280
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:40,660
retire he doesn't have you know

1281
01:05:49,930 --> 01:05:44,090
retirement date you know so to speak out

1282
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:49,940
there as of yet but so 1947 something

1283
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:55,090
happened and let's hear your side of it

1284
01:06:00,720 --> 01:05:58,880
you know I wasn't born in 1948 so I had

1285
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:00,730
nothing to do it

1286
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:04,790
okay you're not clear just barely yeah

1287
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:06,310
somewhat yeah

1288
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:09,410
but yeah I'm it's kind of it's this

1289
01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:11,390
whole thing is very interesting to me

1290
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:15,830
you know this I love doing research and

1291
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,190
I've been it's it's on how I ran into

1292
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:21,920
the whole I give the Roswell case

1293
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:24,140
because I never do about Roswell I knew

1294
01:06:29,859 --> 01:06:27,020
about Kecksburg because it I saw it or

1295
01:06:32,830 --> 01:06:29,869
heard it unfold on the car radio when I

1296
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,840
was a kid and how I found out about the

1297
01:06:36,970 --> 01:06:35,119
Roswell case in the first place I was

1298
01:06:40,660 --> 01:06:36,980
doing research from my doctoral degree

1299
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:40,670
at Penn State at the T library the main

1300
01:06:45,099 --> 01:06:43,070
library they have these huge stacks of

1301
01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:45,109
books this was before the internet or

1302
01:06:50,980 --> 01:06:47,540
anything and I was looking for some

1303
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:50,990
research about music and there was these

1304
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:53,210
these were such huge stacks of books

1305
01:06:59,260 --> 01:06:55,570
that actually rumor was that someone was

1306
01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:59,270
murdered in there you know I've got

1307
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:01,220
excuses I wasn't little I'm you know I

1308
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:05,090
and they had it was these huge stacks of

1309
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:07,190
books in the middle of nowhere and I was

1310
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:09,040
doing research and I turned around

1311
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:13,310
behind me and there was that roswell

1312
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:14,570
book i think the one that was published

1313
01:07:23,980 --> 01:07:20,180
around 78 or and so William Moore and

1314
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:23,990
yes Stan Freeman mm-hmm and so I saw

1315
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:25,790
that it's it was like someone put a

1316
01:07:31,210 --> 01:07:28,670
squat laying on it so I picked it up and

1317
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:31,220
I forgot all about what I was doing and

1318
01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:32,750
I took that one over to one of the

1319
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:34,820
little tables at the library read the

1320
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:37,430
whole book and didn't do what I was

1321
01:07:45,099 --> 01:07:40,850
supposed to do okay so I was like 1982

1322
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,109
but what so I've been researching that

1323
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:47,119
and when what when I started doing the

1324
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:49,530
Kecksburg case I start

1325
01:07:57,020 --> 01:07:52,890
noticing that a pattern was starting to

1326
01:07:58,760 --> 01:07:57,030
show up in the Kecksburg case so I wrote

1327
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,770
down these these points you mind if I

1328
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:00,960
read them to you yeah sure go ahead yeah

1329
01:08:05,770 --> 01:08:04,050
okay so this smell this is what I found

1330
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,780
that the Kecksburg case these are

1331
01:08:10,070 --> 01:08:07,680
commonalities and

1332
01:08:12,020 --> 01:08:10,080
elements from a pattern that I found in

1333
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:12,030
the Kecksburg case and I wasn't really

1334
01:08:17,289 --> 01:08:13,530
looking for a pattern but it showed up

1335
01:08:20,110 --> 01:08:17,299
but the first point was debris including

1336
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:20,120
unfamiliar space age metallic materials

1337
01:08:25,450 --> 01:08:23,880
was observed was observed and recovered

1338
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:25,460
near the crash site

1339
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:28,440
another characteristic the US government

1340
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,319
was involved third characteristic of the

1341
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:33,359
pattern I found at least two

1342
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:37,080
contemporary covert projects that

1343
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:40,190
collected secret data were entangled

1344
01:08:47,270 --> 01:08:43,799
fourth at least one of those covert

1345
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:47,280
projects had a lengthy multiple year

1346
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:51,480
research and development cycle next the

1347
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:54,839
government UFL adjusts skeptics and

1348
01:09:02,559 --> 01:08:59,460
others contributed to disseminating a

1349
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:02,569
rare combination of unreliable and

1350
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,310
conflicting information and I think six

1351
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:10,319
extra-terrestrial hypothesis were

1352
01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:13,970
proffered and the seventh point

1353
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:18,830
make that seven a failure of imagination

1354
01:09:25,789 --> 01:09:22,950
seemed to permeate the initial and

1355
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:25,799
subsequent investigations now that's

1356
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:29,460
only part of the pattern I found I found

1357
01:09:35,420 --> 01:09:33,180
other components to this pattern and I'm

1358
01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:35,430
not releasing the data until the book

1359
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:37,910
comes out but I found those seven

1360
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:41,520
components in the Kecksburg case when I

1361
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:46,380
started looking at the Roswell case then

1362
01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:48,390
and so it was literally one of my

1363
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:53,540
favorites those same seven points plus

1364
01:10:03,580 --> 01:09:57,720
showed up Plus and that's so we'll talk

1365
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:06,830
here's here's the the blanket argument

1366
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:11,070
that I always have about Roswell when it

1367
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:13,950
comes to the fact of you know people

1368
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:18,600
arguing that Roswell was say something

1369
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:21,930
military you know the Mogul that's one

1370
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:23,490
of the explanations of the weather

1371
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:26,910
balloon Iran and all that so my my

1372
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:30,410
blanket argument is that why on earth

1373
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:34,110
will pull over the the headline to the

1374
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:39,290
newspaper so why on earth would the our

1375
01:10:47,420 --> 01:10:44,550
AAF even admit that they captured a

1376
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:47,430
flying saucer on the ranch I mean and

1377
01:10:51,650 --> 01:10:49,410
what I'm gonna say why would they admit

1378
01:10:54,020 --> 01:10:51,660
it rather than say nothing at all

1379
01:11:01,160 --> 01:10:54,030
because they clearly didn't have to say

1380
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:01,170
anything at all they okay this is not me

1381
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:02,790
I've got to give a little bit more

1382
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:05,460
background about what I found so I can

1383
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:08,100
explain that okay there is a logic of me

1384
01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:10,260
there's a logical explanation to that

1385
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:15,950
and the the Roswell Army Airfield okay

1386
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:22,560
that's that was located in Roswell one

1387
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:27,110
thing that helps put the whole Roswell

1388
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:30,320
let's call it incident in perspective is

1389
01:11:36,890 --> 01:11:34,470
New Mexico and I don't know how familiar

1390
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:36,900
you are with New Mexico

1391
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:40,800
oh I'm familiar I lived my first

1392
01:11:48,980 --> 01:11:44,330
exposure to New Mexico was in 2001 right

1393
01:11:52,030 --> 01:11:48,990
after the 9/11 incident mm-hmm that kind

1394
01:11:54,850 --> 01:11:52,040
of shook me up quite a bit so I joined

1395
01:11:59,080 --> 01:11:54,860
since I never was in the Armed Forces

1396
01:12:01,640 --> 01:11:59,090
officially I joined AmeriCorps I

1397
01:12:05,420 --> 01:12:01,650
basically put what I was doing as a

1398
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:05,430
professional administrator on hold and I

1399
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:07,320
joined AmeriCorps which is like the

1400
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:10,560
domestic Peace Corps and that's where it

1401
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,550
took me to Las Cruces New Mexico which

1402
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:16,440
is in the southern part of New

1403
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:19,860
to work with AmeriCorps and I was in New

1404
01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:23,340
Mexico from about 2001 to around 2010

1405
01:12:27,859 --> 01:12:26,070
and I got to travel all over that state

1406
01:12:29,989 --> 01:12:27,869
working for the government and other

1407
01:12:33,589 --> 01:12:29,999
projects and I talked with a lot of

1408
01:12:36,739 --> 01:12:33,599
people and met a lot of very interesting

1409
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:36,749
people and new mexico itself has a

1410
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:41,820
pretty unique cowboy culture and you've

1411
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:45,210
got to figure that into the mix that's

1412
01:12:59,680 --> 01:12:51,690
an important part and so the the whole

1413
01:13:03,589 --> 01:12:59,690
idea that in 1947 they were working on

1414
01:13:08,649 --> 01:13:03,599
project mogul okay and actually project

1415
01:13:14,979 --> 01:13:08,659
mogul was started at night around 1946

1416
01:13:18,799 --> 01:13:14,989
that mogul was used to test to see if

1417
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:18,809
the Russians or whomever were exploding

1418
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:21,900
atomic bombs in the atmosphere is it was

1419
01:13:26,989 --> 01:13:25,110
like kind of tracing you know in the

1420
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:26,999
ocean allegedly there's like an acoustic

1421
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:29,369
channel that travels and there was one

1422
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:31,050
scientist that I believe his name was

1423
01:13:35,899 --> 01:13:33,679
Ewing he came up with a concept and done

1424
01:13:38,089 --> 01:13:35,909
trust me on that name I'm just done with

1425
01:13:40,009 --> 01:13:38,099
my notes in front of me but he came up

1426
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:40,019
with the same idea that that kind of

1427
01:13:43,549 --> 01:13:41,219
thing could have been happening in the

1428
01:13:48,589 --> 01:13:43,559
air so they were using this project

1429
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:48,599
mobile back then to see if there were

1430
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:50,369
other explosions going on atomic

1431
01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:53,489
explosions in the atmosphere now I'm

1432
01:14:01,069 --> 01:13:57,179
saying about what I think crashed at

1433
01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:01,079
Roswell was not project mogul and it was

1434
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:03,900
not a weather balloon that it was

1435
01:14:11,470 --> 01:14:07,800
another secret project that they were

1436
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:11,480
working on on that had to do with

1437
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:17,840
passive communications satellites and

1438
01:14:25,779 --> 01:14:21,360
that's what fits the description of what

1439
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:25,789
was found on the ranch near Roswell

1440
01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:29,760
they didn't there's I can't find anyone

1441
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:33,800
they actually saw a flying saucer

1442
01:14:42,799 --> 01:14:39,409
land and there was no fly in Roswell

1443
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:42,809
there was no flying saucer found but

1444
01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:48,300
there were parts of a metal substance it

1445
01:14:53,799 --> 01:14:50,070
was kind of it was unique it was like a

1446
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:53,809
memory metal break that was found there

1447
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,980
this was a 1947 now other things that

1448
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:01,440
don't come up too often that I can

1449
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,090
remember at all in your garage belt

1450
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:05,820
discussions is that there was another

1451
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:08,940
person by a minimum of dr. Robert H

1452
01:15:16,069 --> 01:15:12,780
Goddard who lived in New Mexico he lived

1453
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:16,079
he had a ranch in Roswell and he was a

1454
01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:21,570
rocket scientist and to make a long

1455
01:15:29,029 --> 01:15:27,510
story short these the since 1945 United

1456
01:15:31,810 --> 01:15:29,039
States government was interested in

1457
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:31,820
these passive communications satellites

1458
01:15:36,859 --> 01:15:34,230
and with those passive communications

1459
01:15:42,370 --> 01:15:36,869
satellites were referred to as Satta

1460
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:42,380
loons they were polyethylene

1461
01:15:55,069 --> 01:15:47,760
high-altitude balloons that were covered

1462
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:55,079
with metal and that's what the project

1463
01:15:58,450 --> 01:15:57,480
echo if you have a project that code

1464
01:16:01,600 --> 01:15:58,460
those satellites

1465
01:16:05,229 --> 01:16:01,610
that's what project echo was and

1466
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:05,239
according to my research they were

1467
01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:08,880
experimenting on those project echo type

1468
01:16:16,759 --> 01:16:13,190
prototypes back then

1469
01:16:19,819 --> 01:16:16,769
so I'm sorry okay well a couple things

1470
01:16:22,689 --> 01:16:19,829
first of all they're about I think it

1471
01:16:25,939 --> 01:16:22,699
was something like 60 miles further

1472
01:16:29,379 --> 01:16:25,949
there was a there's reports of you know

1473
01:16:35,029 --> 01:16:29,389
people possibly seeing some type of

1474
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,039
Volkswagens sized object separate you

1475
01:16:39,799 --> 01:16:37,199
know from all this and you know some

1476
01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:39,809
people reported bodies and you know

1477
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:42,630
possibly one still alive

1478
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:45,870
and the thing we'll talk about as we go

1479
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:50,490
along here but the government of course

1480
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:54,570
you lied I'm sure you know about this at

1481
01:16:59,210 --> 01:16:56,820
least I've I think four or five times

1482
01:17:02,510 --> 01:16:59,220
and different occasions and so that's

1483
01:17:04,670 --> 01:17:02,520
you know I want to kind of unravel why

1484
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:04,680
do you think they lied even back in the

1485
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:09,450
1990s but before we get into that part

1486
01:17:15,230 --> 01:17:10,920
of it though let's keep going I want to

1487
01:17:17,660 --> 01:17:15,240
hear more about the materials of this

1488
01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:17,670
particular I guess you wouldn't call it

1489
01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:19,560
a satellite or it's high-altitude

1490
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:24,840
balloons and it's go ahead it was

1491
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:28,920
technically back then there was a

1492
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:32,910
science fiction writer in 1945 because

1493
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:38,250
name was Clark and he came up with a

1494
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:43,620
concept of these they were considered to

1495
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:48,680
be passive communications satellites

1496
01:17:53,650 --> 01:17:51,150
what they would do is basically there

1497
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:53,660
were these huge satellites eventually

1498
01:18:01,670 --> 01:17:58,380
that they would bounce microwave signals

1499
01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:01,680
off of or whatever and again I found

1500
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:04,440
government reports that reported that in

1501
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:07,110
1945 this was written about it and they

1502
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:10,410
already had the idea proposed but even

1503
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:13,980
in 1942 there were people that were

1504
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:17,520
talking about taking signals and and

1505
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:19,470
bouncing them off of them I think it was

1506
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:22,020
Venus and back as communication

1507
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:23,850
satellites because it was much cheaper

1508
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:28,260
to do that than to run a what's what's

1509
01:18:34,460 --> 01:18:29,850
it called a sub Atlantic cable or

1510
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:34,470
whatever Klaus and so I again I found

1511
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:37,050
all of these my thousands of pages of

1512
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:39,570
reports this I'm basing this all on my

1513
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:42,030
reports I'm not making any of this up

1514
01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:46,440
and it's all documented so in 1945 that

1515
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:50,430
whole idea was in the mix and the United

1516
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:52,260
States government made that a top

1517
01:18:57,650 --> 01:18:56,100
priority because one thing

1518
01:19:00,940 --> 01:18:57,660
there weren't any the United States

1519
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:00,950
hadn't launched any satellites yet in

1520
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:04,800
1945 right and there were there were

1521
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,560
studies that came out it might have been

1522
01:19:11,870 --> 01:19:09,600
from the RAND Corporation but I'm not

1523
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:11,880
sure that said if the United States

1524
01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:15,330
would launch a satellite of some sort

1525
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:17,160
that would be a real feather in our cap

1526
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:22,800
and also it would be for the whole idea

1527
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,800
of world peace the AIA the ability of

1528
01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:28,320
the world communicating with each other

1529
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:31,640
could be completed with these with I

1530
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:36,360
leave three passive communication

1531
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,210
satellites and what these satellites

1532
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:41,760
were they were just basically big

1533
01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:46,970
balloons that were coated with metal and

1534
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:50,700
that's that's what that's all really the

1535
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:55,760
project echo was you know in the 50s so

1536
01:20:01,220 --> 01:19:58,500
and there were proposals and there were

1537
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:01,230
committees and panels that had to

1538
01:20:09,050 --> 01:20:05,160
approve these let's call them sad loons

1539
01:20:12,260 --> 01:20:09,060
and how they were designed so they were

1540
01:20:16,940 --> 01:20:12,270
they were already in the works at that

1541
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:16,950
time and and a my opinion going back to

1542
01:20:22,820 --> 01:20:20,640
project mogul which they didn't explain

1543
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:22,830
until I think was nineteen ninety five

1544
01:20:28,940 --> 01:20:25,710
or ninety six that that didn't come

1545
01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:28,950
forward as a possible solution to what

1546
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:30,740
landed at Roswell crashed in Roswell

1547
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:35,010
until 1996 so it was all that time they

1548
01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:37,770
let people think what a what you know

1549
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:39,390
but they just try to come up with what

1550
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:41,310
it was it didn't tell anyone that I

1551
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:44,490
could figure out so the the whole idea

1552
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:47,850
was that they were already experimenting

1553
01:20:55,190 --> 01:20:51,210
with a type of what what we would call

1554
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,200
today miler mmm-hmm that and then miler

1555
01:21:00,380 --> 01:20:57,600
really didn't wasn't perfected totally

1556
01:21:02,380 --> 01:21:00,390
until the 60s but before that in the 50s

1557
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:02,390
they had something called bo pet and

1558
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,370
before that in the fit before the 50s in

1559
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:07,800
the 40s did something called pet was

1560
01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:10,370
which was a type of polyethylene

1561
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:13,470
material I can't pronounce the second

1562
01:21:18,860 --> 01:21:16,290
part of it so it's this is called pet

1563
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:18,870
balloons and they were they were in

1564
01:21:27,260 --> 01:21:22,530
place and since 1941 the product patent

1565
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,270
now to make again a long story short you

1566
01:21:31,670 --> 01:21:29,280
know when the regular weather balloons

1567
01:21:33,650 --> 01:21:31,680
they try to claim it was first they try

1568
01:21:34,540 --> 01:21:33,660
to claim that the Roswell was first a

1569
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:34,550
weather balloon

1570
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:37,890
well first getting back to the point I

1571
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:39,570
made first they said it was a flying

1572
01:21:44,150 --> 01:21:42,480
saucer and and that's all I want to know

1573
01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:44,160
why they would say that I know what your

1574
01:21:53,810 --> 01:21:50,190
thoughts are getting there okay I'll do

1575
01:21:56,780 --> 01:21:53,820
that now so you won't be in suspense no

1576
01:21:58,460 --> 01:21:56,790
that's okay no no here's why I was

1577
01:21:59,060 --> 01:21:58,470
getting there but I was taking along

1578
01:22:07,880 --> 01:21:59,070
around

1579
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:07,890
okay I'm alone well what yeah yeah it's

1580
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:14,340
the yeah but what okay so these passive

1581
01:22:19,670 --> 01:22:17,190
communication satellites they needed to

1582
01:22:21,710 --> 01:22:19,680
be made out of a material like miler the

1583
01:22:26,060 --> 01:22:21,720
disagrees were precursors to miler and

1584
01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:26,070
those technically balloons were made out

1585
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:33,240
of a flat flexible non expansive

1586
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:38,490
material called pet back then that was

1587
01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:40,980
they they learned how to coat with

1588
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:45,480
aluminum okay and they couldn't make

1589
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:48,210
them into a sphere first they made them

1590
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:53,580
by taking two pieces of round material

1591
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:56,040
and then somehow welding those two

1592
01:23:02,480 --> 01:22:59,010
pieces together so when you blow that up

1593
01:23:06,230 --> 01:23:02,490
with air or whatever it doesn't have a

1594
01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:06,240
sphere it looks like a disc if you see

1595
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:08,280
you know if you look at today's even

1596
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:09,570
minor balloons

1597
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:11,610
they don't look perfectly round like a

1598
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:14,280
rubber boy if you take a look at them

1599
01:23:22,379 --> 01:23:15,780
this crap they look a little bit like a

1600
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:23,580
got some kind of symbol that's that

1601
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:25,770
right and tried me so I don't but

1602
01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:29,580
they're agreeing here but those early

1603
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:36,040
balloons up until nineteen Oh 50 some

1604
01:23:45,959 --> 01:23:41,770
okay were disc-shaped so even and then

1605
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:45,969
the article that the science fiction

1606
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,790
writer Clark wrote back in 1945 and

1607
01:23:55,220 --> 01:23:50,880
that's published and that's out there

1608
01:24:00,030 --> 01:23:55,230
his article is titled extra-terrestrial

1609
01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:00,040
relays so they were actually referring

1610
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:02,980
to and what those relays were were these

1611
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:08,980
big disk shaped saddle domes and he

1612
01:24:15,540 --> 01:24:13,210
wrote them up so technically if you once

1613
01:24:17,459 --> 01:24:15,550
you got one of those let's call it him

1614
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:17,469
for lack of better words now a minor

1615
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:19,590
balloon and it was coated with aluminum

1616
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:25,590
and it was flying it technically was an

1617
01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:29,980
extra-terrestrial flying disc and that's

1618
01:24:37,109 --> 01:24:32,500
what they were described as back in the

1619
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,119
1940s so it's someone could have they

1620
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:40,480
looked a bit lying but there it would

1621
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:42,670
have been an extra-terrestrial meaning

1622
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:45,130
it was they were designed to be off of

1623
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:48,250
the earth and and the whole I think

1624
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:50,350
Clark's original concept was to have

1625
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:53,650
three of those and that would serve for

1626
01:25:03,570 --> 01:24:56,770
communication systems for the entire

1627
01:25:07,979 --> 01:25:03,580
world so the these balloons these satins

1628
01:25:11,629 --> 01:25:07,989
would have been extraterrestrial flying

1629
01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:11,639
disks that were aluminum-coated

1630
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:14,710
polyethylene to some extent now when

1631
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:18,639
they're supposedly ropes to to a balloon

1632
01:25:23,879 --> 01:25:21,760
or was this all it was the actually was

1633
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:23,889
the helium or whatever gas they were

1634
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:26,530
using at the time was that actually in

1635
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:29,679
that disc shaped object I'm talking

1636
01:25:36,830 --> 01:25:31,810
about whatever it would have been

1637
01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:39,270
extraterrestrial flying discs their word

1638
01:25:44,910 --> 01:25:40,540
they would have been something to cause

1639
01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:44,920
it to go up okay in our atmosphere they

1640
01:25:49,980 --> 01:25:46,600
wouldn't have needed that same stuff

1641
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:49,990
when it was in a high altitude so they

1642
01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:52,450
were testing some of those polyethylene

1643
01:25:59,010 --> 01:25:55,780
balloons plated blue metal plated

1644
01:26:01,260 --> 01:25:59,020
metallized balloons they were testing

1645
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:01,270
them to see how high they could go and

1646
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:03,100
what would happen with air pressure

1647
01:26:06,930 --> 01:26:04,690
inside and so forth because this was a

1648
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:06,940
whole new ballgame for the people

1649
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:10,540
working with those and they had a person

1650
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:14,320
that they brought in to work on making

1651
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:19,030
those balloons now you obviously found

1652
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:22,930
all this information assuming online

1653
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,480
it's just through government or how did

1654
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:26,800
you where did you find all this

1655
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:32,890
information I can't tell you that your

1656
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:38,410
screens going to go black again these

1657
01:26:44,570 --> 01:26:40,690
were government reports that I found

1658
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:44,580
that were I think they were Declassified

1659
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,180
plus I lived in Roswell you know not

1660
01:26:54,630 --> 01:26:51,280
know I didn't live in Roswell but I was

1661
01:26:59,310 --> 01:26:54,640
on an anti-gang task force that met in

1662
01:27:02,460 --> 01:26:59,320
Roswell so when I am never I had been to

1663
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:02,470
Roswell quite a few times and I talked

1664
01:27:08,850 --> 01:27:05,770
to people in Roswell who were connected

1665
01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:08,860
to you know Holt New Mexico is connected

1666
01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:12,460
to the whole space program I mean it's

1667
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:15,160
it's a big that the New Mexico that a

1668
01:27:20,850 --> 01:27:18,300
lot of things were done there and I

1669
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:20,860
actually spoke with people that

1670
01:27:27,420 --> 01:27:23,800
confirmed what I was talking about was

1671
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:27,430
true and on top of that they would have

1672
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:31,360
needed now Robert Goddard who lived on a

1673
01:27:36,900 --> 01:27:34,390
ranch in Roswell that I hardly ever hear

1674
01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:36,910
anyone talk about now even though he

1675
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:43,830
died in 1945 he was working on rockets

1676
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:47,890
and he was working with a team of

1677
01:27:55,569 --> 01:27:50,169
individuals on Rock

1678
01:27:59,229 --> 01:27:55,579
way the passive communications satellite

1679
01:28:02,229 --> 01:27:59,239
system was designed they would have had

1680
01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:02,239
to launch those in the high altitude

1681
01:28:13,739 --> 01:28:09,820
space in those Rockets and around 1959

1682
01:28:17,739 --> 01:28:13,749
they were experimenting with that and

1683
01:28:22,589 --> 01:28:17,749
one of this statins exploded because it

1684
01:28:25,209 --> 01:28:22,599
didn't unfold properly

1685
01:28:27,369 --> 01:28:25,219
she had gotta fold escaping a

1686
01:28:32,969 --> 01:28:27,379
hundred-foot balloon into like the size

1687
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:32,979
of a oatmeal can and when it exploded

1688
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:36,530
the same kind of material was

1689
01:28:44,409 --> 01:28:40,129
disseminated along the east coast that

1690
01:28:48,069 --> 01:28:44,419
they found on that ranch in Roscoe all

1691
01:28:53,409 --> 01:28:48,079
right well you know I'm I'm listening

1692
01:28:56,679 --> 01:28:53,419
I'm not you know I'm being open-minded

1693
01:28:59,229 --> 01:28:56,689
about this and you know it really would

1694
01:29:02,889 --> 01:28:59,239
be interesting after all these years if

1695
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:02,899
you actually had an idea what's going on

1696
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:06,289
you know there's a lot of witnesses that

1697
01:29:12,419 --> 01:29:08,449
have you know firsthand witnesses

1698
01:29:20,349 --> 01:29:12,429
there's not too many left right now but

1699
01:29:22,989 --> 01:29:20,359
so this Jesse Marcel was stating someone

1700
01:29:24,459 --> 01:29:22,999
put this in chat he was stating there

1701
01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:24,469
was no way that you know he could hit it

1702
01:29:27,790 --> 01:29:25,070
with a hammer

1703
01:29:30,729 --> 01:29:27,800
he couldn't dent it but it would fold

1704
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:30,739
and then fold back are you saying that

1705
01:29:34,750 --> 01:29:32,780
these are the properties of this I

1706
01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:34,760
forget what you called it like pet or

1707
01:29:39,969 --> 01:29:36,129
whatever it was

1708
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:39,979
three-mile are the prototype that they

1709
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:41,089
would have been working on wouldn't be

1710
01:29:45,699 --> 01:29:42,800
able to do that in fact I have

1711
01:29:47,799 --> 01:29:45,709
testimonies of other witnesses there's

1712
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:47,809
only a handful of witnesses that

1713
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,089
actually handled those materials that

1714
01:29:56,169 --> 01:29:52,639
day and technically when you go back to

1715
01:29:59,559 --> 01:29:56,179
the whole Roswell incident that's all

1716
01:30:03,520 --> 01:29:59,569
they had were the peoples stating that

1717
01:30:06,490 --> 01:30:03,530
that that on metal must have come from

1718
01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:06,500
flying saucer but at least one of the

1719
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:08,750
witnesses that handled that material

1720
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:12,010
that day said that it was not

1721
01:30:17,980 --> 01:30:15,050
extraterrestrial in nature that it was

1722
01:30:20,350 --> 01:30:17,990
you know something from Earth and that

1723
01:30:22,150 --> 01:30:20,360
they were you know what there's evidence

1724
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:22,160
that they were experimenting with those

1725
01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:25,730
kind of materials back then no one just

1726
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:29,500
knew it I I even have photographs of

1727
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:32,290
disks that are aluminum-coated

1728
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:37,130
inflatable discs from you know back when

1729
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,290
they were doing the prototypes and

1730
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:41,360
working on them and there were different

1731
01:30:46,540 --> 01:30:43,370
sizes you know before they got to the

1732
01:30:48,730 --> 01:30:46,550
real big ones but they they really

1733
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:48,740
didn't get into a spherical shape

1734
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:51,440
totally until like the 1950s so they

1735
01:30:57,180 --> 01:30:53,930
were there were discs for a while and

1736
01:30:59,560 --> 01:30:57,190
they kept on getting the the metal

1737
01:31:01,420 --> 01:30:59,570
definitely getting more and more rigid

1738
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:01,430
so they they had to have been

1739
01:31:08,500 --> 01:31:05,050
experimenting with that kind of a metal

1740
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:08,510
that was a memory shape and they had had

1741
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,080
to do that you know at the time the

1742
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:13,760
Roswell incident happened they that

1743
01:31:20,710 --> 01:31:15,530
would have had been experimenting with

1744
01:31:24,330 --> 01:31:20,720
that for that project of gone on well I

1745
01:31:28,030 --> 01:31:24,340
understand you know the the secrecy but

1746
01:31:31,210 --> 01:31:28,040
they supposedly like comb to the field

1747
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:31,220
to get every single scrap of material up

1748
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:34,610
and they went out of their way according

1749
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:37,910
to some witnesses to confiscate anything

1750
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:39,890
that you know people were squirreling

1751
01:31:47,530 --> 01:31:44,210
away right and that just it's kind of

1752
01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:47,540
curious why material I know it's

1753
01:31:52,060 --> 01:31:50,630
experimental but nothing that it doesn't

1754
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:52,070
seem like it would be of top-secret

1755
01:31:58,540 --> 01:31:56,840
nature why they would be so involved and

1756
01:32:01,600 --> 01:31:58,550
making sure they got every last tiny

1757
01:32:07,810 --> 01:32:01,610
little scrap up of that do you think

1758
01:32:11,260 --> 01:32:07,820
that it was that important yes because

1759
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:11,270
again to the research I've done the fact

1760
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:13,370
of having those kind of communications

1761
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:17,210
satellites would have been a world

1762
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:18,650
you already and would put the United

1763
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:23,030
States in front of any other country as

1764
01:32:31,650 --> 01:32:28,239
far as the space race would go plus one

1765
01:32:38,740 --> 01:32:31,660
account put that at least one account

1766
01:32:40,780 --> 01:32:38,750
stated that Marcel and Remy when that

1767
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:40,790
when those material those materials were

1768
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:43,450
allegedly recovered from Roswell by

1769
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:46,850
Marcel and and some people and then they

1770
01:32:57,060 --> 01:32:51,500
were flown to a Fort Worth Texas where

1771
01:33:03,250 --> 01:32:57,070
it was examined by Ramey and another

1772
01:33:05,229 --> 01:33:03,260
officer and the officers knew that they

1773
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:05,239
that what they were looking at were not

1774
01:33:11,950 --> 01:33:10,310
from a weather balloon and they knew we

1775
01:33:13,390 --> 01:33:11,960
would really you know they did they

1776
01:33:17,170 --> 01:33:13,400
didn't want to say that it was from

1777
01:33:20,350 --> 01:33:17,180
Project mogul what I've got seen

1778
01:33:23,650 --> 01:33:20,360
witnesses testimonies that what they saw

1779
01:33:25,330 --> 01:33:23,660
was you know they it was not a weather

1780
01:33:27,580 --> 01:33:25,340
balloon that they actually staged that

1781
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:27,590
one photograph that was out there and

1782
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:29,360
there's some pretty reliable sources

1783
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:34,370
that claimed that and they really didn't

1784
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:37,130
you know that was in 47 and they really

1785
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:38,690
didn't even come forward and say it was

1786
01:33:47,709 --> 01:33:44,210
project mogul until 95 or 96 and there

1787
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:47,719
were some witnesses that came forward

1788
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:52,760
from a unit was a school in New Mexico

1789
01:34:01,390 --> 01:33:57,530
that were launched that that project

1790
01:34:05,470 --> 01:34:01,400
mogul ballooned that day from New Mexico

1791
01:34:09,130 --> 01:34:05,480
and my way of thinking what they were

1792
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:09,140
possibly doing was they were since these

1793
01:34:13,540 --> 01:34:10,730
project mogul were wrecked balloon

1794
01:34:19,150 --> 01:34:13,550
trains with large balloons in them they

1795
01:34:22,780 --> 01:34:19,160
were probably testing the miler coated

1796
01:34:24,940 --> 01:34:22,790
balloons by putting them in as part of

1797
01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:24,950
those balloon trains since they were

1798
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:27,230
already high-altitude balloon trains

1799
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:30,650
they could have been testing those miler

1800
01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:31,250
coated

1801
01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:34,550
with with devices on them to see about

1802
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:37,190
the pressure and so forth that's one of

1803
01:34:44,650 --> 01:34:40,130
they could sneak those in without people

1804
01:34:46,689 --> 01:34:44,660
seeing flying discs flying around so

1805
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:46,699
still getting back to the headline just

1806
01:34:53,890 --> 01:34:50,810
one more time you think that the they

1807
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:53,900
made an honest mistake thinking that at

1808
01:34:59,140 --> 01:34:57,410
first they had a flying disc you know

1809
01:35:00,880 --> 01:34:59,150
because they called it in one you know

1810
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:00,890
one press release they call it a flying

1811
01:35:06,850 --> 01:35:03,230
saucer another one they call it a flying

1812
01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:06,860
disc but they were alluding to the fact

1813
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:08,270
that they had something extraterrestrial

1814
01:35:12,700 --> 01:35:10,850
when they first came out of course you

1815
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:12,710
know they recanted the following day and

1816
01:35:18,130 --> 01:35:17,030
Fort Worth like you said but but so so

1817
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:18,140
what are your thoughts on that in

1818
01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:22,370
general yes if they if it was one of

1819
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:28,310
those prototype sad ones it would have

1820
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:32,090
been a metal coated flying disc if they

1821
01:35:38,770 --> 01:35:34,850
slotted me if anyone saw in here the

1822
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:38,780
research that I saw no one saw it in the

1823
01:35:47,260 --> 01:35:43,130
air they only saw the pieces on the

1824
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:47,270
ground but if someone saw a saw one of

1825
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:49,900
those balloons either as part of a

1826
01:35:55,689 --> 01:35:53,330
project mogul train or you know in

1827
01:35:59,550 --> 01:35:55,699
addition to that mogul train it would

1828
01:36:02,380 --> 01:35:59,560
have technically looked like an

1829
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:02,390
extraterrestrial flying disc that was

1830
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:07,520
made out of a polyester coated with

1831
01:36:13,930 --> 01:36:09,890
metal and the descriptions that I've

1832
01:36:16,689 --> 01:36:13,940
read in a couple of cases of that metal

1833
01:36:18,729 --> 01:36:16,699
the people people that actually handled

1834
01:36:24,250 --> 01:36:18,739
it described it as like an aluminum

1835
01:36:29,380 --> 01:36:24,260
coated pliable but flexible yet not you

1836
01:36:32,770 --> 01:36:29,390
know stretchable material so are you

1837
01:36:34,180 --> 01:36:32,780
saying basically that one hand doesn't

1838
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:34,190
know what the other is doing in other

1839
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:38,570
words the Army Air Force at Roswell had

1840
01:36:44,410 --> 01:36:40,730
no idea what these that these crafts

1841
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:44,420
were up in the air and being tested is

1842
01:36:48,340 --> 01:36:44,750
that

1843
01:36:50,380 --> 01:36:48,350
I'm sorry yes but here's here's what

1844
01:36:53,890 --> 01:36:50,390
that one of those other points that I

1845
01:36:56,710 --> 01:36:53,900
made here's what I'm finding out that

1846
01:36:59,410 --> 01:36:56,720
what's happening back then and even now

1847
01:37:04,240 --> 01:36:59,420
you know they talk about disclosure and

1848
01:37:07,870 --> 01:37:04,250
cover-up it wasn't just the government

1849
01:37:13,930 --> 01:37:07,880
that was covering it up you know but

1850
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:13,940
there were there's there were UFO

1851
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:16,490
adjusts that were making statements that

1852
01:37:19,570 --> 01:37:18,890
they thought were true that weren't so

1853
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:19,580
what what

1854
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:22,310
there were also scientists and the

1855
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:24,170
government we're making statements that

1856
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:26,210
they thought were true the worth there

1857
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:28,010
were some people making true statements

1858
01:37:34,990 --> 01:37:31,610
and what was was this like this perfect

1859
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:35,000
storm of conflicting information that

1860
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:37,130
creates a situation where you have all

1861
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:39,470
this conflicting information some of its

1862
01:37:44,290 --> 01:37:42,710
reliable some of its not reliable and

1863
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:44,300
when you get that kind of a perfect

1864
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:46,760
storm with all kinds of information and

1865
01:37:52,420 --> 01:37:50,000
I've documented that from well they're

1866
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:52,430
all those different sources you can't

1867
01:38:01,960 --> 01:37:56,690
solve a problem especially a problem as

1868
01:38:03,820 --> 01:38:01,970
big as UFO phenomena so what was

1869
01:38:05,860 --> 01:38:03,830
happening is that there was so much

1870
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:05,870
information out of there out of coming

1871
01:38:11,170 --> 01:38:08,510
out some of the disinformation some of

1872
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:11,180
the misinformation some of that accurate

1873
01:38:18,190 --> 01:38:15,710
information that it was causing it to be

1874
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:18,200
covered up without having to try to

1875
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:24,290
cover it up very convoluted so and yeah

1876
01:38:36,970 --> 01:38:30,770
I found evidence evidence of that so if

1877
01:38:40,750 --> 01:38:36,980
the if the government actually didn't

1878
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:40,760
come clean in 1996 I think you mentioned

1879
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:43,850
earlier I know there was a senator that

1880
01:38:47,230 --> 01:38:45,650
you know brought there was a hearing

1881
01:38:49,780 --> 01:38:47,240
with the Air Force

1882
01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:49,790
why wouldn't they finally just come

1883
01:38:56,230 --> 01:38:52,160
clean you know with with the whole

1884
01:38:57,890 --> 01:38:56,240
situation and just just say what they

1885
01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:57,900
were doing I mean after all this

1886
01:39:06,340 --> 01:39:02,480
it shouldn't matter well there again

1887
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:06,350
depending on what they were really doing

1888
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:08,699
with that now let's let's I'm not yet

1889
01:39:13,550 --> 01:39:11,090
I'm just throwing this out as an example

1890
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:13,560
let's say what what I think would happen

1891
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:16,230
was that there were one of those metal

1892
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:19,650
coated settlements was either part of

1893
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:21,420
one of those balloon trains or it was on

1894
01:39:28,399 --> 01:39:25,530
its own being tested now if lightning

1895
01:39:30,350 --> 01:39:28,409
would he hit that I mean there are some

1896
01:39:32,750 --> 01:39:30,360
indicators that there was a storm that

1897
01:39:35,780 --> 01:39:32,760
night and that's what supposedly caused

1898
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:35,790
this crash the saucer to crash and

1899
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,760
that's technically what happened yeah if

1900
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:40,320
let's say someone was trying to bring

1901
01:39:49,490 --> 01:39:43,440
that saddled him down or was connected

1902
01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:49,500
somehow I've seen videos of lightning or

1903
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:53,640
electricity hitting a miler balloon and

1904
01:40:00,919 --> 01:39:58,620
it just blows up hmm it would tear the

1905
01:40:03,649 --> 01:40:00,929
clothing and the skin and the hair

1906
01:40:04,580 --> 01:40:03,659
everything possibly off of anyone that

1907
01:40:08,959 --> 01:40:04,590
was near it

1908
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:08,969
Wow so if yeah I'm not saying that that

1909
01:40:16,010 --> 01:40:12,480
happened if that happened that could

1910
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,020
possibly still be covered up I mean

1911
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,239
there there could be reasons like I said

1912
01:40:22,370 --> 01:40:20,159
when I was doing research with the

1913
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:22,380
Kecksburg against men I found out that

1914
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:24,210
there even though things were supposed

1915
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:33,500
so there was some kind of disaster

1916
01:40:38,930 --> 01:40:36,960
connected to it for me and I and again I

1917
01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:38,940
don't know and I'm not convinced that

1918
01:40:43,340 --> 01:40:42,060
there was now where people were killed

1919
01:40:46,580 --> 01:40:43,350
but if that if that happened or

1920
01:40:49,459 --> 01:40:46,590
something like that happened they

1921
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:49,469
wouldn't let me go no now I know myself

1922
01:41:00,620 --> 01:40:55,170
and having to deal with secret top

1923
01:41:03,790 --> 01:41:00,630
secret material in some cases I can't

1924
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:03,800
tell about that for the rest of my life

1925
01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:08,520
hmm and I I had talked with an attorney

1926
01:41:16,990 --> 01:41:14,030
for example vibrate a book that had top

1927
01:41:19,730 --> 01:41:17,000
secret material in it the government

1928
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:19,740
could go and remove the book off the

1929
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:23,610
shelves you do realize that if you

1930
01:41:27,890 --> 01:41:26,070
actually have solved this that you're

1931
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:27,900
going to have if you're gonna have a

1932
01:41:32,930 --> 01:41:30,120
heck of a lot of pushback because it's

1933
01:41:36,110 --> 01:41:32,940
like the number one American UFO

1934
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:36,120
possibly the number one UFO case of all

1935
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:41,040
time right you're going to get a lot of

1936
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:42,540
things back out some of it's coming

1937
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:48,480
through the chat room yeah change my

1938
01:41:58,580 --> 01:41:56,190
name yeah I was it's already what I did

1939
01:42:00,350 --> 01:41:58,590
you know there wasn't there wasn't how

1940
01:42:03,700 --> 01:42:00,360
long I won't mention we're women there

1941
01:42:07,940 --> 01:42:03,710
was an article about this my article

1942
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:07,950
published about just a the Roswell case

1943
01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:10,170
not the Kecksburg and Roswell comparison

1944
01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:17,490
and nobody pushed back well it will

1945
01:42:22,130 --> 01:42:19,800
happen of course you know they have

1946
01:42:24,370 --> 01:42:22,140
diners they have the roswell museum you

1947
01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:24,380
know you're going to be very unpopular

1948
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:26,820
you'll just have to live with it

1949
01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:30,810
so and it's interesting you know a

1950
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:32,790
number of people in the chatroom they're

1951
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:34,890
not there they're saying well where's

1952
01:42:40,820 --> 01:42:37,050
the evidence I think that's kind of what

1953
01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:40,830
we've wanted to get you know from the

1954
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:43,200
flying saucer so to speak is we don't

1955
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:45,530
have we have no evidence of that either

1956
01:42:53,870 --> 01:42:49,560
now what do you say that you have is

1957
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:53,880
closest to evidence testimonies of

1958
01:43:02,630 --> 01:42:57,440
people that candle the material and

1959
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:02,640
possible material I don't have what

1960
01:43:09,380 --> 01:43:05,970
about the the little eye beams Jesse

1961
01:43:13,330 --> 01:43:09,390
Marcel jr. talked about these little eye

1962
01:43:17,660 --> 01:43:13,340
beams that had sort of purple and

1963
01:43:19,070 --> 01:43:17,670
hieroglyphics on them what about that is

1964
01:43:25,250 --> 01:43:19,080
that part of something you looked into

1965
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:25,260
it all that yes one of the scientists

1966
01:43:32,270 --> 01:43:29,730
now these these are project mogul

1967
01:43:35,390 --> 01:43:32,280
balloons they were watched from

1968
01:43:37,879 --> 01:43:35,400
Alamogordo New Mexico some of them which

1969
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:37,889
is right not that far away from Roswell

1970
01:43:46,180 --> 01:43:43,409
and they be the team that launched that

1971
01:43:49,339 --> 01:43:46,190
and I happen to know because there were

1972
01:43:53,029 --> 01:43:49,349
let's say scientists still living in New

1973
01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:53,039
Mexico that were a part of that launch

1974
01:44:00,279 --> 01:43:55,710
team they claimed that though those

1975
01:44:03,919 --> 01:44:00,289
types of materials were part of the

1976
01:44:06,169 --> 01:44:03,929
project mogul now what what I'm saying

1977
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:06,179
is that I think that that you know that

1978
01:44:11,839 --> 01:44:08,340
they were the sky they were testing

1979
01:44:14,379 --> 01:44:11,849
those statins as part of the project

1980
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:14,389
mogul because they would have both been

1981
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:19,530
high-altitude balloons so you think they

1982
01:44:24,319 --> 01:44:22,860
were they were incorporated into the

1983
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:24,329
those of the moguls

1984
01:44:31,129 --> 01:44:26,940
and somehow but why would have

1985
01:44:33,859 --> 01:44:31,139
hieroglyphics on it anyway I mean did

1986
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:33,869
you well I don't know that there were

1987
01:44:40,899 --> 01:44:36,210
any hieroglyphics on the balloon there

1988
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:40,909
were hieroglyphics on the little I beams

1989
01:44:47,770 --> 01:44:45,210
right those i-beams oh and again I don't

1990
01:44:50,569 --> 01:44:47,780
want to get into my sources but they the

1991
01:44:56,770 --> 01:44:50,579
the companies of those i-beams were

1992
01:45:00,979 --> 01:44:56,780
classrom had those designs on them so

1993
01:45:04,459 --> 01:45:00,989
hmm okay interesting so getting back to

1994
01:45:07,459 --> 01:45:04,469
the 1996 and again I don't have the

1995
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:07,469
exact year when that happened when the

1996
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:12,719
95 or 96 yeah yeah so the part the

1997
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:16,260
subject of the bodies came up and at the

1998
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:20,570
time the the government the Air Force

1999
01:45:25,759 --> 01:45:23,130
claimed that it was crash test dummies

2000
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:25,769
which of course didn't come out until 5

2001
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:28,050
years after the Roswell incident but

2002
01:45:34,490 --> 01:45:32,159
they you know instead of looking or

2003
01:45:36,379 --> 01:45:34,500
saying something logical they said that

2004
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:36,389
they were crash test dummies again

2005
01:45:41,209 --> 01:45:38,190
adding more

2006
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:41,219
more lies to the whatever type of

2007
01:45:48,169 --> 01:45:46,260
cover-up it was what about that part of

2008
01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:48,179
it when people are talking about bodies

2009
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:51,179
and that other like I mentioned earlier

2010
01:45:57,589 --> 01:45:55,290
the Volkswagen sighs you know vehicle

2011
01:46:00,890 --> 01:45:57,599
that was found and I forget exactly how

2012
01:46:04,129 --> 01:46:00,900
many miles away 40 miles away or 60

2013
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:04,139
often like that and there's there's a

2014
01:46:11,569 --> 01:46:07,770
couple of things I've never found any

2015
01:46:15,649 --> 01:46:11,579
evidence that satisfied me that there

2016
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:15,659
were actual bodies discovered to the

2017
01:46:26,410 --> 01:46:22,170
original Roswell crash now so I'm I'm

2018
01:46:29,359 --> 01:46:26,420
really not convinced that those bodies

2019
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:29,369
were linked to what was found on that

2020
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:34,110
ranch but I did talk and again I lived

2021
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:38,010
in New Mexico and I worked and I talked

2022
01:46:49,399 --> 01:46:42,719
to people there were a lot of space junk

2023
01:46:51,169 --> 01:46:49,409
things flying around New Mexico and that

2024
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:51,179
could have been anything there was I

2025
01:46:54,620 --> 01:46:52,800
mean there were people doesn't that

2026
01:46:57,169 --> 01:46:54,630
called cowboy culture that's what you

2027
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,179
have to take into consideration people

2028
01:47:04,310 --> 01:46:58,800
were shooting off rocket it's all the

2029
01:47:06,589 --> 01:47:04,320
time and just for you know fun and you

2030
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:06,599
know I worked in Truth or Consequences

2031
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:09,090
for a while there were they had that you

2032
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:12,210
know that that Space Station or whatever

2033
01:47:17,959 --> 01:47:15,770
was built down there and a lot of the

2034
01:47:20,569 --> 01:47:17,969
experimental things that they'd launched

2035
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:20,579
from there didn't make it and I mean I

2036
01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:22,530
had friends that would shoot stuff up in

2037
01:47:27,530 --> 01:47:25,590
the air just for fun you know and 4th of

2038
01:47:32,209 --> 01:47:27,540
July or whatever so there were quite a

2039
01:47:36,879 --> 01:47:32,219
bit of rocket pieces almost scattered

2040
01:47:42,770 --> 01:47:36,889
throughout New Mexico Wow

2041
01:47:45,649 --> 01:47:42,780
yeah yeah so the only part I guess

2042
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:45,659
though I mean I I think this is really

2043
01:47:51,370 --> 01:47:49,260
fascinating and the only part I find it

2044
01:47:55,450 --> 01:47:51,380
a little tough

2045
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:55,460
to understand is why after all this time

2046
01:48:00,270 --> 01:47:57,050
why didn't the government just plain

2047
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:00,280
admit that this was an experimental

2048
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:03,290
situation I mean it's it's kind of silly

2049
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:05,330
now I mean there's the Roswell festival

2050
01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:10,159
there's so many people you know involved

2051
01:48:15,970 --> 01:48:12,620
and you know the celebration and the

2052
01:48:18,129 --> 01:48:15,980
mystery and books and all that and so

2053
01:48:21,550 --> 01:48:18,139
why wouldn't the government just plain

2054
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:21,560
come out and say hey look this was an

2055
01:48:27,220 --> 01:48:23,750
odd-shaped you know aluminum-coated

2056
01:48:29,169 --> 01:48:27,230
mylar type experimental thing that

2057
01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:29,179
happened and that's end to end of story

2058
01:48:33,689 --> 01:48:31,400
that's it why would they just admit it

2059
01:48:37,169 --> 01:48:33,699
and get it over with and stop all this

2060
01:48:39,729 --> 01:48:37,179
well it's a it's a multi-faceted

2061
01:48:42,370 --> 01:48:39,739
situation now just like you were saying

2062
01:48:46,270 --> 01:48:42,380
so I'm not thinking in mind well if they

2063
01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:46,280
really come forward and and show all

2064
01:48:52,090 --> 01:48:48,830
this there goes the whole Roswell

2065
01:48:59,260 --> 01:48:52,100
ceremony you know on that whole whole la

2066
01:49:00,729 --> 01:48:59,270
event and this yes like I'm saying you

2067
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,739
just cover up the time again it's pretty

2068
01:49:07,870 --> 01:49:02,239
good than just a government okay

2069
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:07,880
that's keeping stuff quiet they don't

2070
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:09,620
want it to go away they want to keep

2071
01:49:16,899 --> 01:49:13,730
using it they want the UF o component to

2072
01:49:19,870 --> 01:49:16,909
be part of a cover-up mix so that will

2073
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:19,880
take forever for anyone that really

2074
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:22,310
figure out what's going on with the

2075
01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:27,250
whole UFO phenomenon it it has to be a

2076
01:49:37,419 --> 01:49:31,670
big confused mix for the whole cover-up

2077
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,429
to work well there certainly I don't

2078
01:49:42,490 --> 01:49:39,199
agree with one part of that statement

2079
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:42,500
and you're saying the whole UFO you know

2080
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:45,260
cover-up or the whole UFO because there

2081
01:49:51,129 --> 01:49:48,170
are definitely things that are seen that

2082
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:51,139
are unexplainable you know constantly

2083
01:49:56,860 --> 01:49:54,980
and ever since so you're not thinking

2084
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,870
that everything that's happening is

2085
01:50:04,930 --> 01:49:58,639
something to do with the government are

2086
01:50:07,959 --> 01:50:04,940
all no sense of being

2087
01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:07,969
from another planet no I'm saying that

2088
01:50:14,050 --> 01:50:11,150
there are there are things that I think

2089
01:50:17,220 --> 01:50:14,060
what's happening is that there are

2090
01:50:19,899 --> 01:50:17,230
things out there that are from private

2091
01:50:22,209 --> 01:50:19,909
industry that are putting them up there

2092
01:50:25,450 --> 01:50:22,219
you know like SpaceX or whoever whatever

2093
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:25,460
and that's part of the mix too in fact

2094
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:27,650
one thing I found fascinating in

2095
01:50:33,250 --> 01:50:30,170
researching the Roswell event is that

2096
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:33,260
there were private companies at that

2097
01:50:39,870 --> 01:50:36,050
time that had more money than the

2098
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:39,880
government did and they were funding the

2099
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:42,760
you know the passive communication

2100
01:50:48,459 --> 01:50:45,199
satellites programs whereby the

2101
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:48,469
government couldn't fund it so there

2102
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:50,570
were definitely at least one point and I

2103
01:50:55,780 --> 01:50:52,850
don't know that whole corporate cronyism

2104
01:50:58,899 --> 01:50:55,790
mix but there are definitely private

2105
01:51:01,600 --> 01:50:58,909
people out there that are you know

2106
01:51:03,610 --> 01:51:01,610
funding things and I know when I worked

2107
01:51:08,110 --> 01:51:03,620
for the government and part of my job

2108
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:08,120
was to look at technological innovations

2109
01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:09,770
that were going on and I am sign

2110
01:51:18,370 --> 01:51:14,260
non-disclosure programs or agreements

2111
01:51:20,890 --> 01:51:18,380
anything I saw in a private lab was

2112
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:20,900
anywhere from 15 to 50 years ahead of

2113
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:23,690
what was out there on the market but

2114
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:25,070
they weren't most of them weren't

2115
01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:29,530
government projects okay so basically

2116
01:51:34,930 --> 01:51:32,510
are you let me just I just want some

2117
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:34,940
clarity hearing your thoughts if I could

2118
01:51:42,189 --> 01:51:38,810
are you thinking that there is that

2119
01:51:44,290 --> 01:51:42,199
every UFO that scene is explained away

2120
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:44,300
or could be explained away as a

2121
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:48,730
government or private contractor

2122
01:51:54,820 --> 01:51:52,370
experimental type of craft or something

2123
01:51:57,070 --> 01:51:54,830
that people are seeing or do you think

2124
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:57,080
there's a possibility of just we don't

2125
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:00,560
know what do you don't know that's why

2126
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:06,110
I'm coming from cars for examples you've

2127
01:52:12,850 --> 01:52:09,170
got other dimensions to look into and

2128
01:52:15,570 --> 01:52:12,860
since I think it was 2001 I believe it

2129
01:52:18,730 --> 01:52:15,580
was NASA I found a cold spot in the

2130
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:18,740
microwave background that they feel

2131
01:52:30,580 --> 01:52:21,490
was kind of like a gateway to a

2132
01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:30,590
multiverse approach also if I feel right

2133
01:52:34,900 --> 01:52:32,750
now that you know there is

2134
01:52:38,410 --> 01:52:34,910
extraterrestrial life out there right I

2135
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:38,420
believe that you know especially working

2136
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:43,250
with projects SETI or whatever and my

2137
01:52:51,010 --> 01:52:46,130
prediction is within 10 years give or

2138
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:51,020
take three years we will have some kind

2139
01:52:57,450 --> 01:52:55,280
of physical communication but it's

2140
01:53:01,960 --> 01:52:57,460
highly likely that we're looking at

2141
01:53:05,980 --> 01:53:01,970
Holograms in some cases Wow instead of

2142
01:53:07,690 --> 01:53:05,990
physical ships interesting well it

2143
01:53:09,550 --> 01:53:07,700
sounds like you're having a little bit

2144
01:53:13,480 --> 01:53:09,560
of trouble there again it's it's

2145
01:53:15,670 --> 01:53:13,490
probably the you know it's probably the

2146
01:53:17,530 --> 01:53:15,680
government after you your screen hasn't

2147
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:17,540
gone black but we have just a couple

2148
01:53:35,610 --> 01:53:20,560
minutes left you have a website right

2149
01:53:44,710 --> 01:53:40,350
w-w-w-w-w-w-wait gross all one word.com

2150
01:53:48,430 --> 01:53:44,720
okay and in and like I said we just have

2151
01:53:52,150 --> 01:53:48,440
a few minutes left here your your book

2152
01:53:54,940 --> 01:53:52,160
your book that's coming out what do you

2153
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:54,950
have a working title for that well I

2154
01:54:02,350 --> 01:53:58,010
just completed a most my most recent

2155
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:02,360
newest book and I just had a I have it's

2156
01:54:07,660 --> 01:54:04,850
it's drafted and I have a proposal that

2157
01:54:09,970 --> 01:54:07,670
I have the title of that one is and this

2158
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:09,980
is a single book it's not a series the

2159
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:13,450
title is the true nature and value of

2160
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:17,330
phenomena known as UFOs okay

2161
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:19,850
hey Bob I'm gonna have to cut this short

2162
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:22,130
we are you're done so I want to thank

2163
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:23,570
you so much for being on the show and

2164
01:54:27,820 --> 01:54:25,730
good luck with that stay healthy and

2165
01:54:31,930 --> 01:54:27,830
stay safe after we release all that

2166
01:54:34,630 --> 01:54:31,940
information all right

2167
01:54:36,340 --> 01:54:34,640
down all right you take care thank you

2168
01:54:38,170 --> 01:54:36,350
all right you bet

2169
01:54:41,170 --> 01:54:38,180
all right everyone so that's it for our

2170
01:54:43,959 --> 01:54:41,180
show tonight thanks so much we have MJ

2171
01:54:45,580 --> 01:54:43,969
Ben yes here coming up next week

2172
01:54:49,689 --> 01:54:45,590
I want to thank everyone that helps out

2173
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:49,699
with the show we have we have Evan in

2174
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:51,620
the background we have our guest dr. Bob

2175
01:54:56,740 --> 01:54:54,290
gross Alejandro Rojas and Peggy shunning

2176
01:55:00,880 --> 01:54:56,750
for running the peg of the Facebook page

2177
01:55:02,860 --> 01:55:00,890
and Thank You kg are a radio and we'll

2178
01:55:05,979 --> 01:55:02,870
be back at the same time next week and